Gina Miller the woman who tried to stop Brexit starting new party called 'True and Fair' ?

Ah yes, aka the ERG- the Group that torpedoed Mrs May and her far better Deal, and strongly allied with Foster and the DUP.

Please tell us more - any links?

Afriyie, Baker, Bone, Braverman, Bridgen, Cash, Chope, Duddridge, Francois, Fysh, Hollobone, Holloway, Jayawardena, Jenkin, Jenkyns, Jones, Lewis, Lopez, Mackinlay, AM Morris, Patel, Paterson, Redwood, Robertson, Rosindell, Rowley, Villiers

They're here. They call themselves the "Spartans".

Whitewavemark2 Who are these 28 people please and where can we find out more information about this?

I am one getting alarmed at the route we are taking.

We have a government where the tail is wagging the dog, as it is being steered by a small number of ideologues - about 28- I think ( they had a dinner together last week to congratulate themselves - Johnson was not amongst them) who are pushing Britain into this dystopian nightmare of crises after crises that is weakening our economy and dismantling our democracy.

The opposition is either too weak or is busy destroying itself rather than do its job of defending the country against this sort attack.

We are heading if the 28 have their way towards a society that is run on a laissez faire economy, something not seen for perhaps 200 years in the U.K.

I desperately hope this is not so, and I would like to think that people from all parties are hoping the same.

How we stop it I have no idea.

There is more to democracy than putting an X in a box and the candidate with the most Xs winning.

Systems have evolved over centuries in the UK to preserve democracy - the judiciary, civil service, etc. - but they're being dismantled before people's eyes. It defies belief that people can't see it.

The leave voting Johnson fans will be feeling even more pressure once Brexit is fully implemented.

The border is still completely open to EU imports and the NI protocol isn’t yet implemented.

Imagine what it would be like here if they had been.

lemongrove

Just to add, Gina Miller is wasting her time and money.

Well, it's better than wasting somebody else's money.

growstuff

What the heck is this thread all about?

Gina Miller started the True and Fair Campaign in 2012 with her own money.

The only references I can find to her launching a new political party are in the red tops and similar. It's a traditional way for people with a mission to get their voices heard.

Sounds like part of the bread and circuses agenda.

It's a stirrer Growstuff. The leave voting Boris fans are feeling the pressure.

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Dinahmo

Urmstongran

I’d rather our FPTP voting than PR. Coalitions of groups just seem to produce more hot air (ahem, discussions) and decision making becomes very problematic for the poor electorate!

Germany has had a coalition government throughout the period of Angela Merkel's Chancellorship. Germany is probably the most successful country in the EU. What's not to like?

Not only during Merkel's tenure, Germany has had coalition governments for most of the post WW2 period. It's the most stable country in Europe and has been hugely successful.

Where's the hot air Urmstongran? (apart from in the 99 Luftballons )

What the heck is this thread all about?

Gina Miller started the True and Fair Campaign in 2012 with her own money.

The only references I can find to her launching a new political party are in the red tops and similar. It's a traditional way for people with a mission to get their voices heard.

Sounds like part of the bread and circuses agenda.

Well, many of us can - including 80% of delegates at LP Conference today.

See-saw extremist politics are just so so destructive.

Can’t see PR catching on here.

Urmstongran

I’d rather our FPTP voting than PR. Coalitions of groups just seem to produce more hot air (ahem, discussions) and decision making becomes very problematic for the poor electorate!

The problem is we have undemocratic coalitions under FPTP. The idea that the discussions that put governments together after the vote are "hot air" is a naive view of modern politics.

Coalition after the vote means more people feel they have representation. However, the coalitions formed within parties before an election feels undemocratic to many more voters. Voters, not all but many if not most, have a much more sophisticated knowledge of politics than the post-war generation. They want a say, not to be steam-rollered.

Britain First already did.

Neither are any good!
Miller will have to come up with some policies ( denigrating the government isn’t enough.)
Both Britain First and the Gina Miller one will both dwindle away on the edges of politics.

Two new political parties today then.

The far-right group Britain First has registered as a political party after its application was approved by the Electoral Commission.

Paul Golding - " Against multiculturalism, Islamism, immigration and abortion."

or

Gina Miller - "Voters deserve better than the current politics of incompetence and self-interest."

Te pouring of raw sewage into our water systems is currently done by privatised companies with Government 'approval' as they are fully aware of what is happening and doing nothing about it. And at a time where water purification chemicals are in short supply and have to come from abroad (remember those non existent HGV drivers!). Now there is no comparison, but if you are going to mention VW, I do think it is 'true and fair' to mention this.

No, not really.

It was VW's scandal, so any attempt to associate it with the German government or the EU is malicious.

CoolCoco

Angela Merkel has been at the helm in Germany for 13 years, and whatever you think of her politics, she has earned respect amongst world leaders. Unlike the UK Germany kept is manufacturing base - they make their own cars, tractors, fridges , washing machine, heavy machinery etc which many other countries want to buy. They have a world class health system, with much more of the country's GDP being spent on health and social care than the UK. Pensions are higher too. It is far more stable politically and economically prosperous and productive than the UK. Plus guess what - its in the EU and had PR.

As regards their motor industry & being in the EU - what about their scandal over diesel emissions? Not forgotten by many. Quite shocking wasn’t it?

Dinahmo

Urmstongran

I’d rather our FPTP voting than PR. Coalitions of groups just seem to produce more hot air (ahem, discussions) and decision making becomes very problematic for the poor electorate!

Germany has had a coalition government throughout the period of Angela Merkel's Chancellorship. Germany is probably the most successful country in the EU. What's not to like?

Sounds just great to me:

Germany: SPD intends to form coalition with Greens and liberals

Centre-left contender to replace Angela Merkel announces plan for ‘social-ecological-liberal’ alliance.

love0c

She tried and failed. The vote was both 'true and fair'.

yeah right

She tried and failed. The vote was both 'true and fair'.