Labour party conference, is no-one else interested?

The harshest critics of Starmer I have heard are -

Corbyn. McDonald. McClusky. Trisher.

PippaZ

trisher

Funny isn't it that a thread about the Labour conference finishes up discussing a conservative PM. Possibly an indication that no one is really interested in the labour party under Starmer. I quite liked Gordon Brown as well but the poor man didn't stand a chance inheriting the back lash Tony Blair (who got out just in time) left behind him.

That could be because time has move on and another conference has happened or is that too simple an explanation for you?

Then maybe the comments should have been on the Conservative party conference thread why be rude to posters

Anniebach

The harshest critics of Starmer I have heard are -

Corbyn. McDonald. McClusky. Trisher.

You're just not looking in the right place, Annieb. My twiiter timeline is awash with them, not difficult to find.

BTW, if you're referring to the former shadow chancellor, his name is McDonnell. Is getting his name wrong some sort of persistent insult?

Anniebach

The harshest critics of Starmer I have heard are -

Corbyn. McDonald. McClusky. Trisher.

OK, that's quite funny.

Anniebach

The harshest critics of Starmer I have heard are -

Corbyn. McDonald. McClusky. Trisher.

In that simplistic way we could have had a similar list of critics against Corbyn when he was the elected leader. That one would have included you Annie.

The Labour Party members lose votes because they are basically two parties. They fight like cats in a sack and often try and pull others into that fight. They either need to spit or sort themselves out. They need votes from non-aligned voters who dislike the infighting, to gain power.

-spit- split

Alegrias1

Anniebach

The harshest critics of Starmer I have heard are -

Corbyn. McDonald. McClusky. Trisher.

OK, that's quite funny.

Well I'm quite chuffed to find myself in such august company. Move over Owen Jones, Ken Loach, Ian Lavery and Richard Burgon etc, Trisher is taking over

trisher

Alegrias1

Anniebach

The harshest critics of Starmer I have heard are -

Corbyn. McDonald. McClusky. Trisher.

OK, that's quite funny.

Well I'm quite chuffed to find myself in such august company. Move over Owen Jones, Ken Loach, Ian Lavery and Richard Burgon etc, Trisher is taking over

And me grany and Novara Media called Starmer a snake on nationalisation

m.youtube.com/watch?v=bKb1i3BHV4c&t=296s

Thanks Grany
Come on Starmer supporters he's right of the Tory party on nationalising energy companies. How the hell do you justify that?

trisher

Thanks Grany
Come on Starmer supporters he's right of the Tory party on nationalising energy companies. How the hell do you justify that?

Show me the tory party nationalising energy companies and I 'might' think you have a point.

Otherwise it's just more speculation.

PippaZ

Anniebach

The harshest critics of Starmer I have heard are -

Corbyn. McDonald. McClusky. Trisher.

In that simplistic way we could have had a similar list of critics against Corbyn when he was the elected leader. That one would have included you Annie.

The Labour Party members lose votes because they are basically two parties. They fight like cats in a sack and often try and pull others into that fight. They either need to spit or sort themselves out. They need votes from non-aligned voters who dislike the infighting, to gain power.

I agree, the infighting does not inspire floating voters or those who are not satisfied with the current Government.

Has anyone watched "Blair and Brown, the New Labour Revolution" on the BBC with all episodes available on iplayer? I've only watched the first one but it looks at the period when Kinnock was leader of the LP up to the time when Brown stepped back and Blair was elected as leader. There are quite a few parallels to the present day and I found it fascinating. Worth a look.

MaizieD

trisher

Thanks Grany
Come on Starmer supporters he's right of the Tory party on nationalising energy companies. How the hell do you justify that?

Show me the tory party nationalising energy companies and I 'might' think you have a point.

Otherwise it's just more speculation.

Well the tories have said that if one of the big energy companies fails (and that is highly likely) they would look at taking it into public ownership. Starmer has ruled out any public ownership. The alternative (and what has happened as smaller companies failed) is pumping public funds into a private company. So there you have it. Starmer is to the right of the Tories on this but he still claims to be Labour!!!!

Wrong PippaZ not when Corbyn became leader , I clearly remember attended the Durham Miners Gala when he was speaking.

My criticism started when it was disclosed that he had run a
campaign against Kinnock’s leadership to have Derek Hatton and co reinstated into the party . His ‘I was there but don’t
know if I was involved’ statement when he was at a wreath laying ceremony for terrorists who murdered the Israeli Olympic Team . When I learned he invited I.R.A. Members to
Westminster only two weeks after the Brighton bombing .

I wouldn’t call Owen Jones august company I ‘m afraid….

MayBee70

I wouldn’t call Owen Jones august company I ‘m afraid….

Such erudite political commentary and vociferous support for Starmer.

Anniebach

Wrong PippaZ not when Corbyn became leader , I clearly remember attended the Durham Miners Gala when he was speaking.

My criticism started when it was disclosed that he had run a
campaign against Kinnock’s leadership to have Derek Hatton and co reinstated into the party . His ‘I was there but don’t
know if I was involved’ statement when he was at a wreath laying ceremony for terrorists who murdered the Israeli Olympic Team . When I learned he invited I.R.A. Members to
Westminster only two weeks after the Brighton bombing .

I expect you did start earlier than him becoming the leader of your party. However, that doesn't stop it also being true that you carried on, and on, and on up to today. But when it comes to my vote I simply don't want the infighting. I don't want to know your issues with the minutiae or their problems with the minutiae.

The infighting makes me doubt voting for the Labour Party you say you support. The far-left of the party have the same effect. Yet we are all told it is one party. I will not be the only one who doubts voting for them. If you don't care about getting votes from outside the Labour Party how I vote doesn't matter. Just continue arguing the toss between you.

Meanwhile, however. the poorest and least able will continue to suffer under this government.

Dianne Abbott again posting on Facebook about how popular Corbyn still is with party members and how unpopular Starmer is.

PippaZ I do not lie

I think that's a fair enough comment Pippa in terms of infighting but infighting is fairly typical of all political parties. It's very difficult to hold a group of people together in terms of beliefs unless it's a cult . The Tories are much much better at understanding the need to shut up and come together to win elections. I can see a fair amount of fighting within the lib dems at the moment, it's just the attention isnt on them because of their small share of the vote.

As so often trisher you have distorted what Starmer actually said, he didn’t say he would rule out nationalising the energy companies, he said he would do it if it was in best interest, but not as a knee jerk reaction. That would I suspect seem a sensible approach to 90% of the population.
inews.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-rules-out-nationalising-big-six-energy-firms-major-shift-away-jeremy-corbyn-leadership-1219015

Meanwhile, however. the poorest and least able will continue to suffer under this government.

And that's what's so tragic!

The Conservatives are going to have problems reconciling the "red wall" and traditional shire seats. Labour seems intent on destroying itself with identity politics and policies and really does seem to be ignoring those who really need a Labour government.

Anniebach

Wrong PippaZ not when Corbyn became leader , I clearly remember attended the Durham Miners Gala when he was speaking.

My criticism started when it was disclosed that he had run a
campaign against Kinnock’s leadership to have Derek Hatton and co reinstated into the party . His ‘I was there but don’t
know if I was involved’ statement when he was at a wreath laying ceremony for terrorists who murdered the Israeli Olympic Team . When I learned he invited I.R.A. Members to
Westminster only two weeks after the Brighton bombing .

What did he talk to the IRA members about?

I wasn’t there,, you think having members of the I.R.A there when many were grieving ?