Labour party conference, is no-one else interested?

In point of fact Corbyn's record on NI has been to try and de-escalate tensions and give republicans a political voice so that they don't resort to terrorism.

Anniebach

I wasn’t there,, you think having members of the I.R.A there when many were grieving ?

I wonder Annie at your constant obsession with the IRA you do realise that there were numerous catholics killed by Loyalist paramilitaries, the UDR and even the URC. The idea that the violence was one sided may have been sold to the British public but it is far from the truth. It was only through talking to the IRA that peace could be acheived. And there were many other meetings with the IRA including one with Harold Wilson in Dublin.

No one would attack the left wing if they acknowledged the fact that Labour have a new leader and most of us hope and pray (fir the sake of the country)that we will win the next election. I’m the one that’s constantly being attacked on Facebook because I’m just a Tory etc etc. The vitriol from them is frightening. And that the very people the left wing are so concerned about voted Conservative at the last election.

Well, it's like PippaZ said, the continuing repetitive attacks on the left wing of the Labour party and in particular of it's former leader, are hardly going to encourage any voters to vote Labour under the new leader. Division is division

I wasn’t there,, you think having members of the I.R.A there when many were grieving ?

Anniebach

Wrong PippaZ not when Corbyn became leader , I clearly remember attended the Durham Miners Gala when he was speaking.

My criticism started when it was disclosed that he had run a
campaign against Kinnock’s leadership to have Derek Hatton and co reinstated into the party . His ‘I was there but don’t
know if I was involved’ statement when he was at a wreath laying ceremony for terrorists who murdered the Israeli Olympic Team . When I learned he invited I.R.A. Members to
Westminster only two weeks after the Brighton bombing .

What did he talk to the IRA members about?

Meanwhile, however. the poorest and least able will continue to suffer under this government.

And that's what's so tragic!

The Conservatives are going to have problems reconciling the "red wall" and traditional shire seats. Labour seems intent on destroying itself with identity politics and policies and really does seem to be ignoring those who really need a Labour government.

As so often trisher you have distorted what Starmer actually said, he didn’t say he would rule out nationalising the energy companies, he said he would do it if it was in best interest, but not as a knee jerk reaction. That would I suspect seem a sensible approach to 90% of the population.
inews.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-rules-out-nationalising-big-six-energy-firms-major-shift-away-jeremy-corbyn-leadership-1219015

I think that's a fair enough comment Pippa in terms of infighting but infighting is fairly typical of all political parties. It's very difficult to hold a group of people together in terms of beliefs unless it's a cult . The Tories are much much better at understanding the need to shut up and come together to win elections. I can see a fair amount of fighting within the lib dems at the moment, it's just the attention isnt on them because of their small share of the vote.

PippaZ I do not lie

Dianne Abbott again posting on Facebook about how popular Corbyn still is with party members and how unpopular Starmer is.

Anniebach

Wrong PippaZ not when Corbyn became leader , I clearly remember attended the Durham Miners Gala when he was speaking.

My criticism started when it was disclosed that he had run a
campaign against Kinnock’s leadership to have Derek Hatton and co reinstated into the party . His ‘I was there but don’t
know if I was involved’ statement when he was at a wreath laying ceremony for terrorists who murdered the Israeli Olympic Team . When I learned he invited I.R.A. Members to
Westminster only two weeks after the Brighton bombing .

I expect you did start earlier than him becoming the leader of your party. However, that doesn't stop it also being true that you carried on, and on, and on up to today. But when it comes to my vote I simply don't want the infighting. I don't want to know your issues with the minutiae or their problems with the minutiae.

The infighting makes me doubt voting for the Labour Party you say you support. The far-left of the party have the same effect. Yet we are all told it is one party. I will not be the only one who doubts voting for them. If you don't care about getting votes from outside the Labour Party how I vote doesn't matter. Just continue arguing the toss between you.

Meanwhile, however. the poorest and least able will continue to suffer under this government.

MayBee70

I wouldn’t call Owen Jones august company I ‘m afraid….

Such erudite political commentary and vociferous support for Starmer.

I wouldn’t call Owen Jones august company I ‘m afraid….

Wrong PippaZ not when Corbyn became leader , I clearly remember attended the Durham Miners Gala when he was speaking.

My criticism started when it was disclosed that he had run a
campaign against Kinnock’s leadership to have Derek Hatton and co reinstated into the party . His ‘I was there but don’t
know if I was involved’ statement when he was at a wreath laying ceremony for terrorists who murdered the Israeli Olympic Team . When I learned he invited I.R.A. Members to
Westminster only two weeks after the Brighton bombing .

MaizieD

trisher

Thanks Grany
Come on Starmer supporters he's right of the Tory party on nationalising energy companies. How the hell do you justify that?

Show me the tory party nationalising energy companies and I 'might' think you have a point.

Otherwise it's just more speculation.

Well the tories have said that if one of the big energy companies fails (and that is highly likely) they would look at taking it into public ownership. Starmer has ruled out any public ownership. The alternative (and what has happened as smaller companies failed) is pumping public funds into a private company. So there you have it. Starmer is to the right of the Tories on this but he still claims to be Labour!!!!

Has anyone watched "Blair and Brown, the New Labour Revolution" on the BBC with all episodes available on iplayer? I've only watched the first one but it looks at the period when Kinnock was leader of the LP up to the time when Brown stepped back and Blair was elected as leader. There are quite a few parallels to the present day and I found it fascinating. Worth a look.

PippaZ

Anniebach

The harshest critics of Starmer I have heard are -

Corbyn. McDonald. McClusky. Trisher.

In that simplistic way we could have had a similar list of critics against Corbyn when he was the elected leader. That one would have included you Annie.

The Labour Party members lose votes because they are basically two parties. They fight like cats in a sack and often try and pull others into that fight. They either need to spit or sort themselves out. They need votes from non-aligned voters who dislike the infighting, to gain power.

I agree, the infighting does not inspire floating voters or those who are not satisfied with the current Government.

trisher

Thanks Grany
Come on Starmer supporters he's right of the Tory party on nationalising energy companies. How the hell do you justify that?

Show me the tory party nationalising energy companies and I 'might' think you have a point.

Otherwise it's just more speculation.

Thanks Grany
Come on Starmer supporters he's right of the Tory party on nationalising energy companies. How the hell do you justify that?

m.youtube.com/watch?v=bKb1i3BHV4c&t=296s

trisher

Alegrias1

Anniebach

The harshest critics of Starmer I have heard are -

Corbyn. McDonald. McClusky. Trisher.

OK, that's quite funny.

Well I'm quite chuffed to find myself in such august company. Move over Owen Jones, Ken Loach, Ian Lavery and Richard Burgon etc, Trisher is taking over

And me grany and Novara Media called Starmer a snake on nationalisation

Alegrias1

Anniebach

The harshest critics of Starmer I have heard are -

Corbyn. McDonald. McClusky. Trisher.

OK, that's quite funny.

Well I'm quite chuffed to find myself in such august company. Move over Owen Jones, Ken Loach, Ian Lavery and Richard Burgon etc, Trisher is taking over

-spit- split

Anniebach

The harshest critics of Starmer I have heard are -

Corbyn. McDonald. McClusky. Trisher.

In that simplistic way we could have had a similar list of critics against Corbyn when he was the elected leader. That one would have included you Annie.

The Labour Party members lose votes because they are basically two parties. They fight like cats in a sack and often try and pull others into that fight. They either need to spit or sort themselves out. They need votes from non-aligned voters who dislike the infighting, to gain power.