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Is Johnson a "bad-luck" politician/Prime Minister?

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PippaZ Thu 30-Sept-21 10:04:11

It's something I have begun to wonder about. I know someone will explain that we make our own luck but that might be more worrying because it is spilling onto the electorate.

Have we had "lucky" and "unlucky" PMs or is it just an outcome of how they prepare and cover all possibilities?

Whitewavemark2 Tue 05-Oct-21 21:06:22

Scones

This seems at odds with what Javid said in his interview with the he Guardian today.

"Asked if he would encourage patients to resort to using private healthcare to expedite their treatment, Javid said: “No. That’s always a choice for people that can afford it, and that’s up to them. But it’s not certainly something I would be recommending to anyone.”

He added: “I don’t want a situation where too many more people just stop [using the health service] … because I want them to use the NHS. The NHS can manage it.”

The trouble is that we are constantly getting mixed messages and you can never be sure exactly what they intend.

It has been a characteristic of this government since 2019. I suspect probably because no one has any real clue in the government what Johnson has planned. (I doubt that he does either)

lemongrove Tue 05-Oct-21 21:00:52

We can all take some responsibility for our own health though,
Exercise, eating properly, not too much alcohol and not smoking for starters.
There has always been a two tier system if you have enough money, who wouldn’t pay for an operation or consultation ( if they can) and it will be done more quickly than on the NHS.
Many people do turn to family before asking the State as well.
We all know that due to Covid there will be a backlog of cases,
And while we can’t always ‘help ourselves’ a lot of the time we can and it makes sense to do that.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 05-Oct-21 21:00:43

The trouble is at out age, health wise we tend to come with baggage - in my case cancer and DH heart which will never be covered by health insurance.

Still if they didn’t get us with covid - they tried hard enough, they are more hopeful we will die waiting for treatment.

Scones Tue 05-Oct-21 20:58:50

This seems at odds with what Javid said in his interview with the he Guardian today.

"Asked if he would encourage patients to resort to using private healthcare to expedite their treatment, Javid said: “No. That’s always a choice for people that can afford it, and that’s up to them. But it’s not certainly something I would be recommending to anyone.”

He added: “I don’t want a situation where too many more people just stop [using the health service] … because I want them to use the NHS. The NHS can manage it.”

vegansrock Tue 05-Oct-21 20:49:27

Don’t look for help folks - sort it out yourself, well that’s the way the health service is going at the moment. If you can afford to go private, do so. There’s a bloody long wait if you can’t afford it. You want a two tier service? Well that’s what you’ve got. Want to be ruled by eccentrics? Of course it’s such fun.

lemongrove Tue 05-Oct-21 20:37:45

Evil and they smell?....honestly you have to laugh sometimes on GN.

ayse Tue 05-Oct-21 19:38:26

JaneJudge

Whitewavemark2

This is an aside but very worrying I think.

Javid - the Health Secretary - in his speech said that the state should not be responsible for providing health and social care. Individuals should look first to their own resources before then turning to the family and community and finally the state.

Blimey!

shock shock

They are intent on sending us back to the 1930s. I think they are just evil

M0nica Tue 05-Oct-21 19:36:30

WWM2 I heard him say that and the alarm bills started to ring.

COVID was a worldwide event every country and every government and Prime Minster was effected. In some things, we did better than most, but generally our response was a shambles of contradictory advice, being told one thing was happening and then having it changed at the last minute. COVID is a very thin thread to have any reliance on.

JaneJudge Tue 05-Oct-21 19:35:58

Whitewavemark2

This is an aside but very worrying I think.

Javid - the Health Secretary - in his speech said that the state should not be responsible for providing health and social care. Individuals should look first to their own resources before then turning to the family and community and finally the state.

Blimey!

shock shock

Whitewavemark2 Tue 05-Oct-21 19:34:46

JaneJudge

I honestly think he must smell. His hair looked awful, why doesn't he have it cut properly?

I would imagine his personal cleanliness is a bit hit and miss ?

Whitewavemark2 Tue 05-Oct-21 19:33:12

This is an aside but very worrying I think.

Javid - the Health Secretary - in his speech said that the state should not be responsible for providing health and social care. Individuals should look first to their own resources before then turning to the family and community and finally the state.

Blimey!

JaneJudge Tue 05-Oct-21 19:30:22

I honestly think he must smell. His hair looked awful, why doesn't he have it cut properly?

MayBee70 Tue 05-Oct-21 19:27:51

Just listened to Johnson being interviewed on Ch4 News. Had no answer to the problems (what problems). Constantly interrupted and talked over the interviewer.

MayBee70 Tue 05-Oct-21 18:54:15

Allsorts

What was unlucky was Covid. What a thing to take on.

It would have helped if he’d taken the pandemic seriously in early 2020 and attended COBRA meetings,but he was busy with other things at the time.

Allsorts Tue 05-Oct-21 18:50:43

What was unlucky was Covid. What a thing to take on.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 05-Oct-21 18:47:16

One thing he is bad luck for are the pigs now being destroyed.

lemongrove Tue 05-Oct-21 17:39:19

Ah, Ghosts! ?

Scones Tue 05-Oct-21 17:37:09

smile

lemongrove Tue 05-Oct-21 17:34:58

I think that’s athleticism on an unknown Johnson scale Scones but I think he may like that idea of yours ( should he ever read anything on Gransnet.)

rosie1959 Tue 05-Oct-21 17:32:58

Scones could be like my husband left to do his own packing lots would be missed

Scones Tue 05-Oct-21 17:29:52

vegansrock

Who goes for a run in a white office shirt and office type shoes?

I'd assumed that someone's husband had come home early and Boris was doing a runner having dropped from an upstairs window.

rosie1959 Tue 05-Oct-21 17:05:54

No harm intended I tend to mostly keep off anything political especially the last few days as its not worth the hassle I only replied to this as I was quite shocked regarding GMB this morning I had the feeling Alistair Campbell wanted to call Boris a very rude word begining with C but as he said he is not allowed to use it I am no prude and can cuss as well as most
I usually only turn over when BBC has the sport on but got more than I bargained for

lemongrove Tue 05-Oct-21 17:03:53

vegansrock

Who goes for a run in a white office shirt and office type shoes?

Answer....anyone who wants to?
It’s not the dictatorship yet that some posters would have us believe.
Johnson ( and Father and family) are all eccentric.There’s room for that, I think, actually that’s what makes the so called red wall like him ( and he knows that.)

Alegrias1 Tue 05-Oct-21 16:57:28

That to rosie1959

I would say thanks MayBee70, but I'm so confused now and worried about how that will be interpreted by third parties....grin

Alegrias1 Tue 05-Oct-21 16:55:47

Then I apologise if I misunderstood your post.

Or maybe I didn't.

I can't keep up, honestly