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Now is the winter of Britain’s discontent

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Whitewavemark2 Sat 02-Oct-21 15:57:09

Day after day there are articles like this in the worlds press.

PippaZ Sun 03-Oct-21 10:30:20

Whitewavemark2

lemongrove

I agreed with what Johnson said this morning on Marr ( when Marr let him get a word in edgewise.)
Left wing posters will disagree, naturally.

What bit did you agree with?

Marr was at his best this morning. No waffling allowed.

PippaZ Sun 03-Oct-21 10:29:43

lemongrove

I thought long and hard about the removal of the triple lock to a double lock, in fact I have been surprised it has lasted so long.It was a Conservative government that brought in the triple lock in the first place.Have to wait and see what the Autumn Budget brings and what guarantees are put in place to safeguard pensioners who live on the Basic Pension or close to it.

Why were you surprised lemongrove? The Triple Lock was there to raise basic pensions to an equal level to other rich countries. It would therefore take more pensioners out of poverty.

That is what the Conservative government said was their intention. What has changed?

As the New Pension started at the level of the Old Pension plus the Guaranteed amount, it will increasingly be only the most elderly who will be in the highest level of poverty.

Why aren't you worried about that?

Whitewavemark2 Sun 03-Oct-21 10:24:22

lemongrove

I agreed with what Johnson said this morning on Marr ( when Marr let him get a word in edgewise.)
Left wing posters will disagree, naturally.

What bit did you agree with?

Whitewavemark2 Sun 03-Oct-21 10:23:50

Kim19

Interesting..... I thought he was making mincemeat out of Andrew Marr.

???

Alegrias1 Sun 03-Oct-21 10:14:20

Example of how the PM treats everybody with disdain and thinks they're lower than he is.

Marr asking him about the thousands of pigs that will have to be culled, Johnson says sarcastically that he is sorry to tell Marr that animals have to be killed for the meat industry, didn't he know?

Honestly, what did we do to deserve this idiot in charge?

Alegrias1 Sun 03-Oct-21 10:12:11

Kim19

Interesting..... I thought he was making mincemeat out of Andrew Marr.

Were you watching a different interview?

Kim19 Sun 03-Oct-21 10:10:39

Interesting..... I thought he was making mincemeat out of Andrew Marr.

lemongrove Sun 03-Oct-21 10:06:18

I agreed with what Johnson said this morning on Marr ( when Marr let him get a word in edgewise.)
Left wing posters will disagree, naturally.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 03-Oct-21 10:06:18

No plan for anything just soundbites that he intends for tomorrow’s headlines.

lemongrove Sun 03-Oct-21 10:04:12

Shropshirelass

Media causes so many problems. I read this morning about a terrible attack at a fuel station in which someone died, the report said it was not connected to the ‘fuel shortage’! There isn’t a fuel shortage, just idiots filling up when they don’t have to and creating the problem. There is plenty of fuel if people are acting normally. Reports of gas and electricity price rises and now snow on the way, such scare mongering. As my daughter says to her hyperactive dog, CALM, CALM,

Scaremongering on social media has a lot to answer for.....as well as from other sources, you are absolutely right.

Kali2 Sun 03-Oct-21 09:59:35

lemongrove

He was answering a question about the main aim of ‘levelling up’. I suggest you watch Marr tomorrow and see what the PM says then.

Are you watching? He is making you proud and optimistic?

Alegrias1 Sun 03-Oct-21 09:59:11

That was the best end to a political interview ever, basically stop talking, I've had enough of you PM.

Fact checking, this will be good.

Shropshirelass Sun 03-Oct-21 09:58:24

Media causes so many problems. I read this morning about a terrible attack at a fuel station in which someone died, the report said it was not connected to the ‘fuel shortage’! There isn’t a fuel shortage, just idiots filling up when they don’t have to and creating the problem. There is plenty of fuel if people are acting normally. Reports of gas and electricity price rises and now snow on the way, such scare mongering. As my daughter says to her hyperactive dog, CALM, CALM,

Kali2 Sun 03-Oct-21 09:57:37

Skirming and waffling ... nonsense.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 03-Oct-21 09:57:18

Blimey! He will be gunning for the BBC for sure.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 03-Oct-21 09:56:19

What was good was that Marr stopped him from his silly waffle.

Alegrias1 Sun 03-Oct-21 09:55:00

Ohh, he's getting annoyed, isn't he?

Waiting for the "You can't handle the truth" moment.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 03-Oct-21 09:54:59

Johnson is useless, is getting madder and madder and is being mauled by Marr.

Alegrias1 Sun 03-Oct-21 09:53:08

Marr's having him for breakfast.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 03-Oct-21 09:51:42

Any answer to labour shortage - apparently not.

Apparently we were living under a tired old economic model - who knew?

Marr calling him out for lying.

Johnson insisting that the poor are better off - who knew?

Kali2 Sun 03-Oct-21 09:46:15

growstuff ''Cancer outcomes should be part of any levelling up agenda.''

indeed, and that is my point entirely. Especially at a time when more and more people feel they have no choice but to borrow large sums of money or use up all savings, to go private. As the NHS it being undermined hugely, and we now have a two tier system becoming the norm.

When the lack of HGV drivers and foreign nurses and doctors mean hospitals are now having to ration cancer treatment- combined with the supply of isotopes from EU becoming very real.

lemongrove Sun 03-Oct-21 09:46:05

mamie There are shortages of HGV drivers everywhere, I think that’s generally accepted.Many EU drivers went home when Covid struck and didn’t return, and some went home due to Brexit no doubt.However, many EU citizens applied to stay here ( around 5 million.)
We should never have relied on low paid workers working in poor conditions here in the first place, it was a huge mistake.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 03-Oct-21 09:41:10

The trouble with listening to Johnson (on Marr) is that you can never be sure what he says is the truth or lies?

Everything he says needs to be checked which is such a pain.

Maudi Sun 03-Oct-21 09:38:29

05:49Mamie

Belgium is looking for 5,000 lorry drivers to prevent empty shelves
Friday, 01 October 2021

There are currently 5,000 job openings for lorry drivers in Belgium, which needed to be filled urgently to keep the shop shelves filled, says Febetra, the federation of Belgian transport and logistics service providers.

There is a shortage of lorry drivers in Belgium not just here then.

MaizieD Sun 03-Oct-21 09:38:24

Casdon

You’re right PippaZ. I think it’s highly unlikely that they will even suggest means tested state pensions this parliament though, as they will alienate the majority of their voters if they do that.

Means testing is notoriously expensive and inefficient. Better to claw back through taxation.

The ending of the triple lock is being portrayed as being temporary because of unusually high cost of living increase this year. The prospect of the high %age increase being a feature for the foreseeable future, plus, of course, my extreme distrust of this government, makes me suspect that it won't be reintroduced until this government has gone.