Now is the winter of Britain’s discontent

lemongrove

trisher I don’t care or bother about his private life. I voted for him to keep Corbyn out and to carry out Brexit as he promised he would...and did.
Covid has been a huge strain on the whole country and has set us back, but I think on the whole he managed it well and we all
Received our vaccinations in good time.How he does for the next two years we shall have to see.

He's kept Corbyn out and "got Brexit done", so is it time to move on now?

Just to point out, the lack of HGV drivers is a problem all over Europe and the US.
Boatloads/ lorryloads of immigrants are also a problem all over Europe and the US.

That’s your view and you are entitled to it....as a left wing voter you would think so of course anyway.

As I thought no special qualities. Effectively then a complete disaster except he Got Brexit done, apart from the N.Ireland problem, the boatloads of immigrants crossingthe channel, the shortage of HGV drivers and a few other minor inconveniences "Didn't he do well!".

trisher I don’t care or bother about his private life. I voted for him to keep Corbyn out and to carry out Brexit as he promised he would...and did.
Covid has been a huge strain on the whole country and has set us back, but I think on the whole he managed it well and we all
Received our vaccinations in good time.How he does for the next two years we shall have to see.

So lemon what are the special qualities Johnson brings to PM? He's gaffe prone, he lies, he blusters, he insults, he prevaricates, his personal life is appalling. Apart from the fact that he is sort of posh what else is there?

MaizieD I don’t think that any of us can say that he is a deeply caring and lovely person, as we don’t know him at all.
That isn’t usually of prime importance to be a PM though.
We have no proof that he doesn’t care or want UK healthcare to be as good as it possibly can be, I think any PM of any
Political party would want that.
He is gaffe prone and always has been, that’s one thing he hasn’t been able to change.

Smileless I enjoy Christmas Day but having to cook a large turkey for the family always puts a damper on it for me, would love to just do a ham or beef joint instead.Like the Royle Family though, there would be dark mutterings.?

.That doesn’t mean that he doesn’t care about the health of people in this country.

He has given ample proof that he doesn't care about the health of the people in this country.

At least we are getting an insight into the views of his apologists. 'He's just gaffe prone, underneath it all he's a lovely and deeply caring person. We don't have any evidence that this is so, of course, but having imposed him on the country we will defend him to the death.'

It's like the equivalent of protesting that all that misogynist, sexist stuff that men spew out is just 'banter'. Good old Boris, doesn't really mean it...

All this talk of turkey reminds me of that sketch in the 'Royale Family' when everyone's telling the mum Barbara how much they dislike turkey, and when she says she wont bother cooking a turkey next year, they all have a go at her for being miserable.

kali I say what I think, no beating around the bush, but try hard not to be emotional and rude or personal to others.

'gaffe prone'? - a walking, talking disaster, more like!

lemongrove

I understand the message, that wage growth is the real aim,
His clumsy remarks will be seized on by the opposition and that’s the real damage.

Not sure here if you are just baiting to get a reaction - or are totally immune to the feelings expressed. Leave you to it.

I have just read the whole interview, and could clearly see what he meant....it’s part of who he is to speak in this way and no doubt he can’t change that, much as he may want to.He has always been gaffe prone.That doesn’t mean that he doesn’t care about the health of people in this country.He has foot in mouth syndrome yes, but that doesn’t negate the real aim of levelling up by driving up wage growth in the North and encouraging business opportunities there.

I was told I had I should be ashamed to warn about cancer treating isotopes. Nottingham and others have starte rationning cancer chemo due to shortage of staff, and it seems. shortage of isotopes as they have to come from EU.

I understand the message, that wage growth is the real aim,
His clumsy remarks will be seized on by the opposition and that’s the real damage.

lemongrove

I see things as they are Alegrias
A more diplomatic PM would have said ‘ it isn’t about cancer outcomes or health, the policy of levelling up is about wage growth’ but the message would have been the same.

But that wasn't what he said, was it lemongrove, or the way he said it. You don't see them as they are but as you want them to be.

No kali they are not meant to be personal at all.

If you excuse what he said, you become part of it.

Everybody knows that Johnson can’t do diplomatic, that’s a given.He will no doubt apologise and explain what he was trying to say to the interviewer that raising wages is his prime policy about levelling up.
It’s a gaffe and will be seized on politically
Johnson would have been better served letting Sunak do the interview....he would have said much the same, but in an oh so
Pleasant and diplomatic way.

Politics are hugely personal- the comments are about the politics portrayed. But do, if you wish.

kali and any others....if your comments become any more personal then I shall have to report them.
This is a politics thread, so keep it to that please.

Some people have zero self awareness.

Well one thing we agree on Lemongrove, Johnson isn't diplomatic. I mean, its not like he was Foreign Secretary or anything.

He's a crass git with delusions of adequacy, who has no idea that the language he uses is important. But I guess he always has the acolytes to defend him even if he says something indefensible, so he can say what he likes.

Isn't this where you tell me that you don't support Boris, never have, but this is all faux outrage? Well you can have a little snigger, why not, I mean its not like this is anything important.

Pull the other one, its got bells on.

Mr.Johnson is on Andrew Marr tomorrow.