Feeling politically homeless (new thread)

Alegrias blame doesn't come into it. 22:33pm

We can put the blame squarely on the SNP for continued Tory government. 17:31pm

Doublethink? Or just double standards?

Alegrias blame doesn't ccome into it. We have the government we have because lots of people voted for it. We have to respect them and the decision they made.

Many of us do not like the current government but to blame other people is to assume that we know so much better. We don't. We just have different opinions on what should be happening. I have no confidence that any of the alternatives currently on offer would have done any better. Differently, yes, but not better.

I despair also. BJ and his friends have totally mismanaged the whole lot. Bad judgment and bad decisions. And now we are in a mess, all round. I am really not sure where it is going to end.

for another political party being in power in a different part of the system; that's OK

A different part of the system?

Not what I said at all.

I do wish posters would read comments properly.

lemongrove

If there isn’t a GE for three years yet then anything can happen so isn’t worth worrying about.
The red wall voters didn’t like Corbyn ( who did?) and wanted the Conservatives to make good their promise that Brexit would definitely happen.

Is this the post that upsets you PippaZ....note that I say ‘IF there isn’t a GE for three years’ not ‘ the GE will be in three years’.
I do wish posters would read comments properly.
Who’s the man in the sky btw? the man in the presumably.

M0nica

Alegrias you need to realise, that the majority of people who voyed for the Conservatives still back them, and think Boris is doing the best job possible in difficult circumstances.

You should neither patronise nor despise those who voted Conservative, they are as entitled to their opinions as you are and they thought about their decisions as carefully as you did.

If we cannot respect our fellow citizens, whether we agree with them, politically, religiously or in any other way, or not, however can we hope to develop a civilised society, which isn't dominated by anger directed toward or hate of our fellow citizens.

I'm sorry?

Blaming a political party that gets nearly half the available votes, for another political party being in power in a different part of the system; that's OK, (*Callistemon*, 17:31) but saying that I blame the people who voted Tory for there being a Tory government is patronising?

This forum really has departed quite spectacularly from any vestige of reality.

lemongrove

If there isn’t a GE for three years yet then anything can happen so isn’t worth worrying about.
The red wall voters didn’t like Corbyn ( who did?) and wanted the Conservatives to make good their promise that Brexit would definitely happen.

Have you been talking to the man in the sky again lemongrove? As far as I am aware no one - except Boris and his team and he may change his mind - know when the next General Election will be. We know when it should be, but this is the man who thinks he is the "King of the World" so I wouldn't put money on it.

I agree many of the Red Wall voters voted for Brexit a second time in the election. Did they know it was going to be how it has now turned out to be? I know some of us pointed out these issues; I don't remember anyone saying "Well yes, it will be like that, but that's what I want", do you?

Much as I’d like to see an opposition coalition I’m not so sure that an actual electoral pact is the answer. Better if the parties agreed on a few key messages (surely not difficult), and voters took the responsibility for working out which candidate in their constituency is most likely to defeat the Tory.

PippaZ my objection is those doing the criticising are putting themselves on some high moral ground that suggests that their reasoning processes are far superior to those of those they disagree with. Yes, disagree with government policy, have a poor opinion of individual ministers. But those members of the electorate who vote for them are as intelligent and as able as anyone here and they should be respected as individuals and so should their decisions on which way to vote.

Absolutely spot on lemongrove. ??
The Red Wall loaned their vote exactly for that reason. Boris was the only one offering to deliver on that referendum vote.

That was then though and this is now. They will be watching ...

M0nica

Alegrias you need to realise, that the majority of people who voyed for the Conservatives still back them, and think Boris is doing the best job possible in difficult circumstances.

You should neither patronise nor despise those who voted Conservative, they are as entitled to their opinions as you are and they thought about their decisions as carefully as you did.

If we cannot respect our fellow citizens, whether we agree with them, politically, religiously or in any other way, or not, however can we hope to develop a civilised society, which isn't dominated by anger directed toward or hate of our fellow citizens.

Hear hear ??????
What reasonable poster could disagree with your comments.

Stewaris that makes a change from the regular missives from Scottish posters who regard Sturgeon as some sort of saint.?

M0nica

Alegrias you need to realise, that the majority of people who voyed for the Conservatives still back them, and think Boris is doing the best job possible in difficult circumstances.

You should neither patronise nor despise those who voted Conservative, they are as entitled to their opinions as you are and they thought about their decisions as carefully as you did.

If we cannot respect our fellow citizens, whether we agree with them, politically, religiously or in any other way, or not, however can we hope to develop a civilised society, which isn't dominated by anger directed toward or hate of our fellow citizens.

Why does anyone "need" to do what you say M0nica? Why should we not deplore those whose principles, if they exist, we find reprehensible?

It isn't patronising to suggest that someone could make themselves more aware of the facts rather than thinking that an opinion must be equal to something provable.

Respect: a feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements.

I do not feel like that about those who have voted this government into power. I loath many of those in this government for genuine reasons. Take those MPs who vote against their conscience, for example.

I don't think those views are "uncivilised". I find that a worrying suggestion in a democracy. In my opinion, such behaviours deserve nothing else. I would suggest that it is uncivilised to accept the abandonment of the poor and needy, just as the old and frail were.

What you describe sounds more like a dictatorship where we have to kowtow to Conservatism. I doubt many want that other than the Conservatives. Even some of them will feel they have a right to a democratic disagreement.

If there isn’t a GE for three years yet then anything can happen so isn’t worth worrying about.
The red wall voters didn’t like Corbyn ( who did?) and wanted the Conservatives to make good their promise that Brexit would definitely happen.

News from my 'red wall' constituency is that the natives are getting a bit peed off with the tories. Polling evidence shows that it would swing back to Labour if there were a GE soon.

I just deleted what I was going to post which was a similar theme.
Those traditional Labour voters who may have used their vote as a protest against Corbyn may well be regretting it and will swing back to Labour at the next GE.

The SNP, having one main aim, will still appeal to enough Scots who want independence to keep Labour out thus reducing the Labour vote by what may have been 40+ (50+?) seats.

if you get my meaning.

Not really lightallen
Sounds just like a whinge.

stewaris

I live in Scotland and, I hate to say it, you're lucky. The SNP is shambolic from£600k on a vaccine app that doesn't work, rescuing Fergusons ship yard and paying the CE/consultant over £2k a day to manage it, the new children's hospital that still isn't opened in Edinburgh and is costing eye watering sums of money is just so depressing. No matter what the SNP say they did not get the majority vote and people are sick to the back teeth of the continuing talk on independence. We wouldn't have survived the pandemic without being in the UK. Nicola Sturgeon is an idiot.

Plus stewaris Scotland has more drug deaths each year than any other country in Europe. The rate north of the border is more than three times that in England and Wales.

you need to realise, that the majority of people who voyed for the Conservatives still back them, and think Boris is doing the best job possible in difficult circumstances.

Actually that is not so, MOnica.

News from my 'red wall' constituency is that the natives are getting a bit peed off with the tories. Polling evidence shows that it would swing back to Labour if there were a GE soon.

northeastbylines.co.uk/north-east-blue-seats-might-turn-red-suggests-new-poll/

lightallan

Whinge, Whinge. Whinge and more Whinge. That is all I seem to be hearing and seeing, especially on Gransnet, which I do enjoy reading. Come on all you whingers look at the large numbers of people still catching Covid-19 and dying from it , which everybody seems to ignore, even though there are huge numbers already vaccinated, so it is not just the Government, but, you yourself, (speaking of the general public) who are mostly to blame, witness also, the unnecessary rush to the garage for fuel, if you get my meaning.
Regards and best wishes to all of you Whingers.

The word hypocrite immediately springs to mind.

Re.David Lammy - last year he said babies were born without a sex. At the recent party conference, “I understand that a cervix is something you can have after various procedures, hormone treatments, all the rest of it”. He was only one of many who said similar things

Thank you grannydarkhair you saved me from commenting on David Lammy (as I was asked to).

All I had to do was cut and paste.

When he comes on tv news I mute the sound. ?

?? MOnica the voice of reason, as always.

Whinge, Whinge. Whinge and more Whinge. That is all I seem to be hearing and seeing, especially on Gransnet, which I do enjoy reading. Come on all you whingers look at the large numbers of people still catching Covid-19 and dying from it , which everybody seems to ignore, even though there are huge numbers already vaccinated, so it is not just the Government, but, you yourself, (speaking of the general public) who are mostly to blame, witness also, the unnecessary rush to the garage for fuel, if you get my meaning.
Regards and best wishes to all of you Whingers.

Alegrias you need to realise, that the majority of people who voyed for the Conservatives still back them, and think Boris is doing the best job possible in difficult circumstances.

You should neither patronise nor despise those who voted Conservative, they are as entitled to their opinions as you are and they thought about their decisions as carefully as you did.

If we cannot respect our fellow citizens, whether we agree with them, politically, religiously or in any other way, or not, however can we hope to develop a civilised society, which isn't dominated by anger directed toward or hate of our fellow citizens.

The record of the SNP is fair game.

Blaming them for the Tories being in power isn't.

(BTW, vaccine app worked first time for me yesterday. Guess I'm just lucky)

Interesting that you say the Greens would be out of their depth! I can’t imagine anyone or any party could make a worse job of running a country than this PM and this inept, incompetent, lying bunch of individuals