Feeling politically homeless (new thread)

Thanks for the info on David Lammy. Idiot

Galaxy, if I’d written everything that I’d been appalled at hearing from the conference, my post would have turned into a novel.
A couple of weeks ago, I emailed various Green and SNP MSPs re. the TWAW, etc issues. Haven’t heard from any of them. Can’t say I’m surprised.
I’ve never been a political activist, but if Woman Won’t Wheest hold another demo outside the Scottish Parliament, I intend to join them. NS has said that demos should not be allowed outside Parliament, and people could be arrested. Bring it on!

I live in Scotland and, I hate to say it, you're lucky. The SNP is shambolic from£600k on a vaccine app that doesn't work, rescuing Fergusons ship yard and paying the CE/consultant over £2k a day to manage it, the new children's hospital that still isn't opened in Edinburgh and is costing eye watering sums of money is just so depressing. No matter what the SNP say they did not get the majority vote and people are sick to the back teeth of the continuing talk on independence. We wouldn't have survived the pandemic without being in the UK. Nicola Sturgeon is an idiot.

Perhaps the current government should change their leader for someone who knows what they are doing. It would be a start, rather than carry on like this for three more years

We can put the blame squarely on the SNP for continued Tory government.

Me, I put the blame squarely on the people who voted Tory for the Tory government.

Blaming a section of the population for not voting Labour when Labour don't have enough to offer them is a bit odd. If Labour were to compete effectively with the SNP people would vote for them.

I used to think he was fairly sensible but he has just proved that he's a gullible idiot.

I feel more concerned that he referred to those women raising concerns about the loss of single sex spaces as dinosaurs hoarding rights and when those women (many of whom have spent their life working with women who have experienced Male violence) aired the view that he was a grade a misogynist he had the hypocrisy to post his concerns about Male violence against women in order to save face. As someone who is centre left I find it utterly depressing when men on the left show their misogyny although to be honest I should be used to it by now.

Romola

Just someone else saying: please, all opposition parties i.e. Labour, Lib Dems and Greens including the SNP, you MUST make electoral pacts so that, in the next general election, the candidate most likely to win and/or defeat the Tory is the ONLY opposition.
Otherwise the opposition votes are split and the Conservatives will be in power until the end of time.
Once the so-called progressive opposition is in power, it should bring in a form of proportional representation (personally I like the German version) and then it can call another election which will be run by PR.

I can't see that happening everywhere, Romola, especially as far as the SNP is concerned. They would never do that.

Labour has been wiped out in Scotland and until the Scots gain independence we will never have a Labour Government again in the UK even if the traditional Labour constituencies in RUK which voted Tory revert back to Labour.
We can put the blame squarely on the SNP for continued Tory government.

Lily flower, thank you for your post, it saved me having to do it.
Re.David Lammy - last year he said babies were born without a sex. At the recent party conference, “I understand that a cervix is something you can have after various procedures, hormone treatments, all the rest of it”. He was only one of many who said similar things. Have none of them a clue about human biology? Sex is a fact, gender is a concept.
I’m in Scotland and the only party not pushing the TWAW/no need for safe spaces for women issues is the Tories. I’ve voted for various parties over the years depending on their manifestos, have only missed voting in a (local) election once due to having to work a double shift (have always had a proxy vote since). I feel it’s a duty to vote, but have no idea who I will vote for at the next election.

Just someone else saying: please, all opposition parties i.e. Labour, Lib Dems and Greens including the SNP, you MUST make electoral pacts so that, in the next general election, the candidate most likely to win and/or defeat the Tory is the ONLY opposition.
Otherwise the opposition votes are split and the Conservatives will be in power until the end of time.
Once the so-called progressive opposition is in power, it should bring in a form of proportional representation (personally I like the German version) and then it can call another election which will be run by PR.

Or UKIP?

I think the political parties that agree with self ID for trans people will find that many women simply won’t vote for them.

None of them are worth the waste of my shoe leather to go and vote!

I am amazed that no one has mentioned the area of politics which is lighting up Mumsnet like a Christmas tree: that of the transgender issue. Only the Conservatives are allowing that only those born with a cervix can be deemed to be women.

The issue is of the utmost importance to women - to our daughters and grand daughters. Recent high profile cases pushed by aggressive activists involve transmen invading the safe spaces held by women and attacking what they call our unjust privileges.

Convicted rapists have self identified as women, been allowed into women's jails and sexually assaulted their fellow female inmates.

Men, some of whom have not fully physically transitioned and who have an extra residue of testosterone anyway, are competing in women's sports and carrying away trophies that women trained for years to win.

'Women' with penises are winning the right to walk naked in sports and swimming changing rooms in front of teenage and younger girls.

Many on Mumsnet have vowed never to vote Labour, Green or LibDem again until their status in law as women in protected.

What about the Reform party?

Totally agree and would vote Green if I lived in England as the SNP are another shower….!
The only solution is for an alliance between the opposition parties to stand down in constituencies in favour of the most likely candidate to oust a sitting or aspirant Tory…

I am sure they do Lincsclass, which is why PR would be better for everyone surely? In my opinion, safe seats, irrespective of the political party, can make for complacency and political laziness.PR would make sure that people got on with the job of representing their constituents, of making themselves visible. Nothing like the worry that you may lose your job every 5 years to keep people on their toes!

GillT57

I REALLY admire David Lammy, he is straight, honest and says what he feels, and to be honest, what quite a lot of people think. I agree though that there are always going to be those we like/dislike in all parties, sometimes we just have to hold our nose and vote for what we think is best. I have always voted, even though my vote didn't count due to the ultra safe seat held by the ERG Brexiteer we have in place, living here it is like being in one of those strange republics where the dictator gets returned election after election......and when he finally stops pretending to be a constituency MP retires, they will put another one like him in the seat as it is so ultra safe. Mind you, a lot of the farmers around here are seriously hurting, so maybe things will not be quite so cut and dried for him next time.

Ultra safe seats can be anywhere, including, Labours Diane Abbott who has had a very safe seat since 1987. Bet Conservative voters feel the very same as you do.

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No idea what the answer is.

I REALLY admire David Lammy, he is straight, honest and says what he feels, and to be honest, what quite a lot of people think. I agree though that there are always going to be those we like/dislike in all parties, sometimes we just have to hold our nose and vote for what we think is best. I have always voted, even though my vote didn't count due to the ultra safe seat held by the ERG Brexiteer we have in place, living here it is like being in one of those strange republics where the dictator gets returned election after election......and when he finally stops pretending to be a constituency MP retires, they will put another one like him in the seat as it is so ultra safe. Mind you, a lot of the farmers around here are seriously hurting, so maybe things will not be quite so cut and dried for him next time.

Alegrias1

David Lammy?

What on earth is wrong with David Lammy?!?!?

I wouldn't even bother to ask, Alegrias

Young Labour rep faces SECOND investigation for speaking out against party leadership
Isn’t this targeted harassment?

I am familiar with Hasan Patel and his activities, both as a Young Labour representative and as an individual. I consider him to be a principled young man of excellent character.

It seems he is exactly the kind of person that Keir Starmer’s Labour Party doesn’t want.

Yesterday (October 4), he revealed that he has been targeted for “investigation” by Labour leaders – for the second time in five months.

His alleged crime? “Stressing young people’s disillusionment with the current direction of our party.”

5 months ago, I received an email from Labour’s NEC putting me under investigation for the crime of stressing young people’s disillusionment with the current direction of our party. Now I’ve been given a second notice of investigation. I have to speak out.

— Hasan Patel ? (@CorbynistaTeen) October 2, 2021

At this point I don’t know what to do but I know I will not stay silent or give up. I demand to hear from the party leadership about why I’m being silenced. Why am I being singled out? If anyone can help, please reach out to me. Solidarity.

— Hasan Patel ? (@CorbynistaTeen) October 2, 2021

This is a free speech issue.

Anybody, in any organisation, should be free to speak up if they believe it is going in the wrong direction.

Michael Heseltine did it yesterday, attacking the current Conservative leadership over its “levelling up” sloganising and failure to deliver anything apart from rhetoric. It’s a sad day when the Tories can demonstrate that they are more democratic than Labour!

But it seems that the current Labour administration does not want thinking people in its ranks – especially not among younger members.

Perhaps we should prepare for its imminent rebranding as the “Starmer Youth”?

I put my hopes in the Labour Party. Any fragmentation is being sorted. This new party will be honest, full of integrity and will look after middle and working classes, not just the super rich!!

David Lammy?

What on earth is wrong with David Lammy?!?!?

Give Keir Starmer a chance, for heavens sake

It’s not so much him that bothers me *Greciangirl’.
It’s his backing group ...
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Dawn Butler, Angela Rayner, Ed Miliband, David Lammy to name a few that give me shivers.

But then in fairness there’s some on Boris’ team that aren’t cutting the mustard lately either.