Any sympathy for pig farmers?

Someone said this is his 14th since he became PM?

The idea that killing these pigs under these circumstances, but isn’t if people eat their bodies shows that the morals of many pretty twisted.

I've been vegetarian for nearly 30 years. I'd love it if everyone switched to not eating meat and we didn't need pig farms any more. However they haven't, and we do.

However its not for me to tell people that their diet is based on twisted morals.

Haven't got much time for proselyting vegetarians, especially those who complain about people's morals and think that will help.

Alegrias1 ???

I do eat meat and fish, not huge amounts but enjoy what I do eat, and don't have any plans to abandon meat eating altogether. Why anyone ever thinks insults and condemnation will win people over is beyond me. I'll often order the vegetarian options off the menu, just because I like them. With more tasty vegetarian options appearing on menus, I'd expect a gradual reduction in demand for meat based meals as people try recreating them in the home.

I can't understand why millions are unemployed in this country while there are serious staff shortages everywhere. I appreciate that skilled jobs require skilled workers but that still leaves many manual jobs vacant, e.g. warehouse staff, kitchen staff, cleaners, fruit veg and flower pickers etc. Life on benefits is too comfortable for some people so they won't take a manual job. I know of people who have never worked in their whole life and just play the system.
Time for the government to allocate jobs to people like in my grandfather's day. You were sent to any vacancy that existed and couldn't refuse. He had the first bananas to come into England after the war given to him, as he was sent to work unloading the ships. Loved it there so stayed until he retired.
We need a new system here to allocate jobs. Too many people thinking they can only do white collar work

Time for the government to allocate jobs to people like in my grandfather's day. You were sent to any vacancy that existed and couldn't refuse.

Oh my God.

Apologies if my intemperate use of language offends anyone. This is actually the restrained version.

Pity the unemployed hairdresser who was sent off to slaughter pigs...

I'd pity the pigs, as well.....

True!

Oh dear pretty sure that your suggestion is unworkable sazzl on practically every level…

Buttonjugs

This won’t be popular but I don’t understand why we are still eating dead animals in the 21st century. I found out about the horrific treatment of chickens at a local chicken factory years ago, and lived next door to an abattoir worker a few years later and the stories were shocking.

I think you have to accept that most people are still eating meat. We all make our own decisions on this. Your opinion of what is "right" will not be everyone else's opinion of what is "right". Right now, we need to get things back so people can eat what they are used to and don't have to pay an ever-increasing amount to do so.

Personally, as I have a huge number of vegetables and fruits I can't eat, I would be lost without meat. Sorry if that offends you but, like many others, I would like to get on with my life.

I think I might have had some haircuts done by unemployed abattoir workers.

Serious though
Life on benefits is too comfortable

Job seekers allowance is £59.20 if you’re 18 to 24, £74.70 if you’re 25 or over.

Average weekly rent in social house is £120.

Not comfortable.

I think the pig farmer in question really cared about the pigs. Sorry if it offends the people that don’t eat meat, but it’s a fact of life. He can’t live if it costs more to keep pigs than he can sell them for. You wouldn’t expect anyone to work for nothing, paying out of their own own pockets the materials required for the job.

Alegrias1

^Time for the government to allocate jobs to people like in my grandfather's day. You were sent to any vacancy that existed and couldn't refuse.^

Oh my God.

Apologies if my intemperate use of language offends anyone. This is actually the restrained version.

You took the censored words right out of my mouth. I was going to retaliate and give it with both barrels reply, but I really can't be bothered with this level of ignorance, ignorance of economics and of reality.

sazz1

I can't understand why millions are unemployed in this country while there are serious staff shortages everywhere. I appreciate that skilled jobs require skilled workers but that still leaves many manual jobs vacant, e.g. warehouse staff, kitchen staff, cleaners, fruit veg and flower pickers etc. Life on benefits is too comfortable for some people so they won't take a manual job. I know of people who have never worked in their whole life and just play the system.
Time for the government to allocate jobs to people like in my grandfather's day. You were sent to any vacancy that existed and couldn't refuse. He had the first bananas to come into England after the war given to him, as he was sent to work unloading the ships. Loved it there so stayed until he retired.
We need a new system here to allocate jobs. Too many people thinking they can only do white collar work

Actually, I will reply, sod it. If you Sazzl are on a pension, you are receiving a benefit, even if you have paid in to the system. Many people claiming UC have also paid into the system, so on this basis, and using your own twisted logic, you too should be sent to wherever your unskilled labour is needed, so, what's it to be Sazzl, cutting up pig carcasses, or picking cauliflowers from frozen fields in January? Or is it only 'them' who should be forced into work which repels them?

I have every sympathy for the pig farmers. I don’t eat much pork but they do provide for a market and our pig farmers have high welfare standards. And the waste is horrible.
Johnson tossed the dice to see if he would be a Remainer or a Leaver. Opted for the latter with no plans whatsoever. So what can we expect from him. Perhaps he could become a butcher or an HGV driver. He couldn’t be any worse than as PM.

A local fruit grower said that his pickers can earn up to £20 an hour. Obviously it all depends on how quick they are as they are paid by weight. But he can’t get British people to do the work. At all. If someone earns a low wage doing agricultural (or any other low-paid) work, there is UC etc to top up low earnings. Wouldn’t most people rather do some honest work and have their earnings supplemented than sit at home and claim benefits if they are physically able to? Sadly not I think, as the number of vacancies v the number on benefits shows. There was a time when if you refused two job offers your benefits were withdrawn. As sazzl says, there are many who play the system and families in which several generations have never worked - but they seem able to afford booze, fags, satellite tv and other things that hard working people and pensioners would consider luxuries. I have witnessed it myself. I regularly drove to work past the social housing with bedroom curtains still closed, and no they weren’t all on night shifts. The government has said numerous times that they will ensure that work pays but I don’t see much evidence of it. And Gill I am not including pensioners in this, I am talking about people under pension age who could work but choose not to.

I thought the current government said unemployment was at its all time lowest anyway

To Vegansrock and other Brexit whingers, give Brexit some time, after all we did have to suffer the EU for some forty odd years, and see how that worked constantly against Britain.

Now with a bit less whingeing and tine to evolve, you will see the benefits of being out of the EU monolith.

Good luck and best wishes to all Brexiteers, wherever they may be.

any sympathy for the pigs?

Ladies, I'm ordering badges.

If you'd like a "Brexit Whinger and Proud" Badge, just let me know.

If there's enough interest I might get t-shirts.

How do tines evolve? Do they become whole forks?

lightallan

To Vegansrock and other Brexit whingers, give Brexit some time, after all we did have to suffer the EU for some forty odd years, and see how that worked constantly against Britain.

Now with a bit less whingeing and tine to evolve, you will see the benefits of being out of the EU monolith.

Good luck and best wishes to all Brexiteers, wherever they may be.

Any idea you could tell us which benefit we will see - now, soon, within 3 years, 5, 10 - I'm not fussed when, but it would be nice to know what we can expect to see as a benefit.

my dds care team is down to 3 permanent staff (for her and another client) the rest are now agency. I realise people don't understand how social care works but some department is going to have to pay the short fall at some point, very soon. The alternatives are much more expensive.

Do you think the media may be highlighting this end of November or sooner? It is the next crisis and apparently also nothing to do with brexit <rolls eyes so much they fall out of head>

GillT57

Alegrias1

Time for the government to allocate jobs to people like in my grandfather's day. You were sent to any vacancy that existed and couldn't refuse.

Oh my God.

Apologies if my intemperate use of language offends anyone. This is actually the restrained version.

You took the censored words right out of my mouth. I was going to retaliate and give it with both barrels reply, but I really can't be bothered with this level of ignorance, ignorance of economics and of reality.

Well said GillT57

If you follow that food chain up the ladder of economic illiteracy, you end up in the cabinet don't you?

Or on a beach somewhere with the sea being closed?