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So, let's leave Conference behind, onwards and forwards ...

(222 Posts)
Kali2 Mon 11-Oct-21 14:29:50

How do you see things progressing from now on

a) short-term, say from now till Christmas

b) next year

c) and beyond?

Kali2 Sun 17-Oct-21 16:52:39

Britain First and the EDL are full of them.

Callistemon Sun 17-Oct-21 17:33:12

I'm confused.
The area we lived in had a fairly high immigrant population, educated, middle class, who ad found their place in society and integrated and that area voted resoundingly remain.

Other areas not far away which were more deprived voted to leave.

Callistemon Sun 17-Oct-21 17:33:26


Kali2 Sun 17-Oct-21 17:39:17

It is confusing, I agree.

varian Sun 17-Oct-21 18:16:51

Unfortunately the more deprived UK citizens were easy pickings for the foriegn billionaires who aimed to harm the UK and damage the EU.

Their agenda had nothing to do with improving the lives of our poorly educated citizens who were so easily led astray.

Their legitimate grievances which were the fault of successive UK governments were successfully directed towards the EU to achieve brexit - a big win for tax dodging billionaires and Vladimir Putin.

Kali2 Sun 17-Oct-21 18:55:17

Rachel Parris on immigration - a good Leicester lass!

Kali2 Sun 17-Oct-21 21:00:53

'' Australian trade minister leaves UK with no deal

Dan Tehan hoped to strike an agreement with his UK counterpart, but it wasn’t to be.''

I wonder if there are 'trust issues' with the UK Government?

Grany Mon 18-Oct-21 10:24:01

I agree with this assessment

We have corrupt government and useless opposition

Grany Mon 18-Oct-21 10:26:44

Dud opposition

Dinahmo Mon 18-Oct-21 11:04:10

As has been said more times than I care to remember there is little that the Opposition can do when the govt has an 80 seat majority. What should happen, but it won't, is that the Tory MPs who don't agree with Johnson should occasionally vote against him. If that were to happen (and pigs might fly) then the Opposition would be in with a chance of changing some of the govt's policies.

I think that Paul Mason is right in this instance. Brexit caused deep divisions in the UK and, even though Brexit has "been done" those divisions are still there.

Reading Cummings comments about Starmer it seems to me that DC is trying to get back into Johnson's good books.

Kali2 Mon 18-Oct-21 11:57:20

There is now of course a massive issue of trust with NI, and the EU, and the USA- before it is clear that Johnson signed the Deal with every intention of reneging on it.

So no wonder the so-called fabulous Deal with Australia, agreed in principle months ago, is faltering. I do not blame the Australian for being extremely weary of every word, comma and fullstop.

''He may have traveled more than 10,000 miles from Canberra to London, but Dan Tehan left Britain without a trade deal.

The Australian trade minister had hoped to clinch an agreement with his U.K. counterpart Anne-Marie Trevelyan at the end of his long, multi-stop trip across the globe, but the two sides ended up kicking the can.

“I know we're all impatient to get that signature on the final inked deal,” Tehan told the U.K.-Australia Chamber of Commerce at a breakfast event on Friday, the morning after his meeting with Trevelyan. “I can tell you no one is more impatient than me to get that done. But we do have to make sure that we get it right.”

The two sides reached an “agreement in principle” in June, but have spent months wrangling over the legal text. Converting a 16-page draft agreement into a fully scrubbed tome both sides can sign up to has turned out to be more of a challenge than was hoped.''

Kali2 Mon 18-Oct-21 13:08:40

Well illustrated here

UK-Australia trade deal negotiations have fallen apart.
The Australian version of the deal stands at around 1,600 pages, while the U.K. text is 2,600. UK added 1000 pages to the text agreed, and expected Australia to sign without noticing.

A la East Enders! wow!

MaizieD Mon 18-Oct-21 15:18:39

Project Fear mongers did warn that trade deals weren't things that could be done overnight...

MayBee70 Mon 18-Oct-21 15:28:29


Well illustrated here

UK-Australia trade deal negotiations have fallen apart.
The Australian version of the deal stands at around 1,600 pages, while the U.K. text is 2,600. UK added 1000 pages to the text agreed, and expected Australia to sign without noticing.

A la East Enders! wow!

How very dare they not sign it….angryDon’t they know who we are!

varian Mon 18-Oct-21 15:34:49

These project fear mongers are now called "captain hindsight"

MaizieD Mon 18-Oct-21 17:18:05


These project fear mongers are now called "captain hindsight"

It's a bit Schrodinger's really

Remainers 'Project Fear' or 'Captain Hindsight'

Leavers 'We always said it was going to be hard at first'


Kali2 Mon 18-Oct-21 18:40:07

oh no they didn't!

varian Wed 20-Oct-21 18:44:03

The Leavers don't respond because they can't . Kali

They cannot bring themselves to admit that the Remainers were right.

Josianne Thu 21-Oct-21 17:56:13

The scariest example ever is Eric Zemour in France currently. Pure vitriol fascist. He is a Jew from Algeria, and hates Muslims. Truly terrifying- and he has a big following- makes Marine Lepen look like a pussycat.

You're right Kali2, that guy is dangerous. Did you see him yesterday tweeting a picture of the Queen holding a rifle to support his misdemeanour pointing a gun at journalists? He thought it was funny.

Kali2 Mon 01-Nov-21 10:20:28

One sick and dangerous man indeed.

On another subject, fishing ...

Solution is quite easy, the British government could end this impasse very simply by issuing the 50 or so licences to small French fishing boats that are being held up by the Jersey authorities over a technicality.

It would also help if Lord Frost would stop stir the pot even further. The French Prime Minister didn't say that the UK had to be shown that it “causes more damage to leave the EU than to stay in”. He is actually saying that European public opinion needed to see that signed commitments have to be respected and are no longer negotiable. And therefore that leaving the EU caused more damage than remaining. Simple and clear really.

Deedaa Mon 01-Nov-21 10:45:45

I'm pretty certain my in laws would have been ardent Brexiters. They had a deep dislike of immigrants, inspite of my father in law having immigrant Italian parents. They didn't like the fact that muslims were moving into their block of flats, but were quite happy to go to a shop down the road where everyone spoke Italian and you might have been in down town Turin. Next door was the massive Italian church which was attended by old ladies who had lived here all their lives but remain totally un integrated. It would certainly never have occurred to them that Brexit would stop free movement in Europe but do little about immigration from Asia and Africa.