Brexit finally being recognised as one of the causes of the crises

Urmstongran

Apologies.
Maybe just ‘mean’ as in comments.

Mind you Kali2 if I recall you once said you had to sever ties with some family and friends over Brexit views it was too hurtful.

Anyway I’m watching with interest what unfolds between now and the end of the year.

No we never severed ties with any relative or friends over Brexit- we made damned sure we did not.

I did say with severed relations with relatives in the USA because they were staunch Trump supporters, who turned out to be VERY racist.

We are where we are. Let’s just hope things can only get better.
I think there’s a song in there somewhere ....
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I feel weary just thinking about it all MayBee. It’s probably easier just to Google it. Also, round we go, again. It doesn’t get any better - rehashing.
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I thought Johnson tried to thwart Mays attempts to ‘get brexit done’? Can someone remind me about what happened? She had some sort of deal sorted out and Johnson and his cohorts voted against it.

Apologies.
Maybe just ‘mean’ as in comments.

Mind you Kali2 if I recall you once said you had to sever ties with some family and friends over Brexit views it was too hurtful.

Anyway I’m watching with interest what unfolds between now and the end of the year.

Urmstongran

Thanks Kali2.
There’s too much hate. Be nice to listen and respect one another a little more.

It’s not a question of hate lots of people 1 know voted leave, they are suffering just like the rest of us, yet none have admitted they were wrong - too proud I guess.

So let’s have none of the hate rubbish UG that’s totally out of order.

Thanks Kali2.
There’s too much hate. Be nice to listen and respect one another a little more.

But it wasn't the UK who said "a special in hell awaits .. “ (Tusk), it wasn't the UK who triggered the NIP to stop vaccines going into Northern Ireland without telling the ROI and then a few hours later backing down, it wasn't the UK who during negotiations threatened to stop commercial overflights of it's territory etc

These negotiations were a dog fight. On both sides.

It has gone way beyond 'remain' or 'leave' but how?

And this is why we have to fight to unite and fight with all our might the Brexit wanted by the ERG, who have been manipulating Johnson from the beginning.

Brexit was based on lies and fraud- we have to fight for truth and trust- even if within 'Brexit' whatever that is (because no one knew, and no one knows now either). And yes I agree, it is exhausting. And yes I believe you are one of the few who tries to respect other viewpoints.

Maybe MaizieD. We will never really know. I fully believed if Brexit didn’t happen by ... was it 30 December 2019? ... then Parliament wouldn’t let it. I seem to recall Boris was between a rock and a hard place. He was in a time frame to honour the democratic result of the referendum.

So much water under the bridge since then. So much anxiety, sadness and loss due to Covid.

I’m not even sure my recollections are accurate. This has been like a game of ping pong for so long I’m forgetting the score line.

What did HM the Queen say (on a different matter) ?
‘Some recollections may vary’.

So it is with Brexit. And Covid.

Perhaps what we read shapes our viewpoint. We listen to different expert opinions. Read different newspapers.

I understand those who wanted to Remain aren’t going to let this drop. Probably for years. We will all promote the side we voted for. We have become entrenched. It is exhausting to keep my end up sometimes. But I do respect your viewpoints.

So I will get it in the neck from the hard left for being a softie and Tory Lite ... and from the hard right for being a 'leftie'. It's almost funny, really- and I have learnt not to care.

FIVE years- on the backfoot !?! wow!

Oven ready, perfect, best ever ... he said!

Zoejory

Kali2

Who on earth is 'crowing with delight' wow!

So we are just supposed to put our head in the sand and sing lalalalalalala and let them continue to destroy all the wonderful things this amazing country is about.

NO!

What are you going to do, Kali2, to stop them destroying all the wonderful things this amazing country is about?

Just what are you going to do?

Of course people can complain and moan until kingdom come, but what on earth can be physically done? Do you think we'll go back into the EU if people keep complaining? We won't.

I think there is a bit of schadenfreude going on with some posters.

Teacheranne's post is spot on.

The thing to do is to prepare a strong, united, allied opposition- who will be able to win the next Election. So I will try and expose how devasting divisions in Labour are- and how clever alliances have to be made. Because THAT will give the country a chance to re-negotiate in earnest and with trust.

What will any amount of Schadenfreude achieve?

If Labour does not untite behind its leader, and accepts clever alliances- then the Cons will divide and continue to rule destroy this country and all within.

Urmstongran

Covid I think was firefighting. Going with SAGE experts. No vaccine at the beginning 18 months ago. Everyone was scared (well I was). Boris admitted to hospital. TV cameras showing Italian hospitals with poorly patients on ventilators. Dyson asked to help. So much panic. Inadequate PPE. Countries not sharing it. 2020 was beyond awful.

Brexit planning? On the back foot.

Do you know what, UG. We could have got another extension to 'transition' after covid hit. It was offered by the EU. That would have relieved the government of one worry and perhaps they might then have concentrated on keeping thousands of citizens alive...

Or, put it another way, perhaps if it had been accepted Johnson wouldn't have made such a mess of Brexit and Covid.

Brexit planning? On the back foot.

They had 5 years!

Absolutely no-one is stopping you starting the sort of threads you want on this forum, Kandinsky. Do go ahead. I'm sure people will flock to post on them.

Covid I think was firefighting. Going with SAGE experts. No vaccine at the beginning 18 months ago. Everyone was scared (well I was). Boris admitted to hospital. TV cameras showing Italian hospitals with poorly patients on ventilators. Dyson asked to help. So much panic. Inadequate PPE. Countries not sharing it. 2020 was beyond awful.

Brexit planning? On the back foot.

To all the Leavers/Brexit supporters - why not simply ignore any thread with Brexit in the title? There are thread titles which I don’t look at, but I certainly don’t complain about them.

Kandinsky

It literally is thread after thread, day in day out.
Brexit is clearly an obsession for a few posters on here which is why HQ really should introduce a ‘hide poster’ option - every other forum has one apart from MN/ GN.
They’re never going to stop moaning about it.

Oh come on…slight exaggeration! Plenty of threads about the incompetence of this government, yes, but not all are about Brexit!
if I go on the H and M threads and suggest that there are too many threads about them I get shouted down and told I don’t need to read them ! Just saying.

Kandinsky

2 or 3 people are clogging up this board with endless threads about Brexit - it’s not fair on people ( the majority I’m sure ) who are bored stiff with it.
It’s time these posters had their own board so the rest of us can discuss other news & politics items.
Surely that makes sense?

3 of the top 15 most active threads on N&P concern Brexit.

We've got slightly different understanding of the term clogging up, I think.

What incredible vanity or ignorance or stupidity makes the ultra right wing classify themselves as "the majority"???

2 or 3 people are clogging up this board with endless threads about Brexit - it’s not fair on people ( the majority I’m sure ) who are bored stiff with it.
It’s time these posters had their own board so the rest of us can discuss other news & politics items.
Surely that makes sense?

Most of the Brexit damage has been done by our own choices, the refusal to have any EU involvement on anything. Aviation as an example, we could have remained in EASA, our UK system is not recognized by anyone. Transport, we could have permitted EU companies to operate in UK, result massive transport shortage. Labour, we could have allowed EU workers to continue in the UK, result Labour shortages across the board.
This political dogma is costing us dear, I don’t disagree with the aim to do more ourselves, it’s the way that the government did not have a clue what the effect of the policy would be and still don’t.
Incidentally offering EU drivers a 3 month visa help us out is producing results - 20 applications have been processed.

Urmstongran

They’ve been firefighting for the last 18 months on BOTH fronts. Sadly.

Firefighting is what you do when something comes up unexpectedly that you haven't planned for. They had 5 years. This is not firefighting, this is incompetence.

Is that the best defense of brexit UG?????