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Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe

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Antonia Sat 16-Oct-21 22:29:06

I have just read the news that she has lost her appeal. I feel so desperately sorry for her, and I fear that she might never recover mentally from her continuing ordeal.
My heart goes out to her and her husband and daughter.

MayBee70 Wed 10-Nov-21 17:56:49

I’ve just googled. He started reciting the first line from Mandalay when he visited the Shwedagon Pagoda in Yangon. The British Ambassador Andrew Patrick had to tell him to shut up as if was offensive to the people in that country. Johnson could recite it but seemed to have no idea of what it was about. I can remember at the time thinking what an embarrassment he was and never dreamt he’d still be doing it all these years later as PM.

Aspen Wed 10-Nov-21 16:18:01

Was it "The Green Eye of the Little Yellow God"?

Thailand?

MayBee70 Wed 10-Nov-21 14:31:38

Johnson gave Iran the ammunition with which to fire at the poor woman. He didn’t even need to say what he did: it was another one of his throwaway comments. Remember when he started reciting a poem one day and people around him had to tell him it was inappropriate and offensive to the country he was visiting. And this isn’t the Scottish one either. I can’t remember the country.

Griselda Wed 10-Nov-21 12:27:34

I wonder if the cruel people who keep her in captivity realise that they are depriving her of having any more children. Or is that part of the plan ?

maddyone Wed 10-Nov-21 11:40:28

If we paid it, will they release Nazanin?

Oopsadaisy1 Tue 09-Nov-21 21:18:42

They want the money we owe them.

maddyone Tue 09-Nov-21 20:19:43

Well in the case of Terry Waite and the others, was one Brian Keenan, and the other John McCarthy, if I remember correctly, anyway it was negotiation that eventually secured the release of them all. I think negotiation has got to be the way forward.

Alegrias1 Tue 09-Nov-21 20:11:31

I think its fair to say that we don't know how much is going on behind the scenes, but I do really think if there was anything tangible going on Mr Radcliffe would know about it. He's certainly astute enough to know that if there was any negotiations going on at all, he wouldn't jeopardise that by drawing attention to the situation.

And yes, I'm afraid we do have to negotiate with them, or she will die in prison. Unpalatable as it is, they're not terrorists, they are a sovereign nation.

Lincslass Tue 09-Nov-21 20:06:27

We don’t know how they are talking though, do we . This has been going on since 2016, Cameron’s premiership. Can you really negotiate with terrorists.

Alegrias1 Tue 09-Nov-21 20:04:08

No, I know it wasn't you Lincslass, but someone was wondering along those lines. I was agreeing with you. smile

Lincslass Tue 09-Nov-21 20:02:27

Alegrias1

Its not Johnson's fault that she's detained, but he certainly hasn't helped. Either with his loose tongue in 2017 or apparent lack on interest in doing anything to get her out. If he was trying, do you not think Mr Radcliffe would know about it, and wouldn't need to be on hunger strike?

Sending in the SAS is a ridiculous idea, you can't go invading other people's countries whatever you think of them.

Whilst we may not have any "power" over them, they are not holding her for fun. They want something, goodness knows what. Maybe it's just to make the UK look powerless, I don't know. But we need to be talking to them properly. We need to be negotiating. But we're not very good at that are we? As long as nobody takes it into their head to send Frost.

Didn’t say we should send the SAS in, but was wondered at by a previous poster. It was tongue in cheek.

maddyone Tue 09-Nov-21 19:58:27

Yes indeed Lincslass.

Alegrias1 Tue 09-Nov-21 19:57:51

Its not Johnson's fault that she's detained, but he certainly hasn't helped. Either with his loose tongue in 2017 or apparent lack on interest in doing anything to get her out. If he was trying, do you not think Mr Radcliffe would know about it, and wouldn't need to be on hunger strike?

Sending in the SAS is a ridiculous idea, you can't go invading other people's countries whatever you think of them.

Whilst we may not have any "power" over them, they are not holding her for fun. They want something, goodness knows what. Maybe it's just to make the UK look powerless, I don't know. But we need to be talking to them properly. We need to be negotiating. But we're not very good at that are we? As long as nobody takes it into their head to send Frost.

Lincslass Tue 09-Nov-21 19:45:38

varian

Nazanin's imprissonment was one of the worst consequences of Theresa May's foolish decision to appoint Boris Johnson, the least capable person she could have appointed, as Foreign Secretary.

No her imprisonment on trumped up charges by a vicious , terrorist backing regime, is entirely their responsibility , yes Iran. They have other dual nationals imprisoned also. Now they are threatening us not to make it political, the Government also requested to be present at her trial, this was denied. Iran didn’t need an idiot to make it worse, they did that themselves. What do you want, to start a war over this, because if we went in that is what would happen. How many times, Iran does not recognise dual nationality, we have no power over them. They will do as they please, whatever we say.

varian Tue 09-Nov-21 19:35:55

Nazanin's imprissonment was one of the worst consequences of Theresa May's foolish decision to appoint Boris Johnson, the least capable person she could have appointed, as Foreign Secretary.

Oopsadaisy1 Tue 09-Nov-21 18:02:00

And this is her poor husband on hunger strike.
Boris has a lot to answer for

MerylStreep Tue 09-Nov-21 17:46:24

I often wonder how many times our special forces have thought about getting her out.

Calistemon Tue 09-Nov-21 17:41:23

X post, Sarnia

Calistemon Tue 09-Nov-21 17:40:03

Nazanin could be sent back to prison at any time, JenniferEccles

Nazanin’s sentence ended in April 2021 and her ankle tag was removed. However, a week later she was put back on trial and convicted of a fresh charge with a one-year prison sentence.

In October 2021, Nazanin lost her appeal against her second prison sentence - a sentence that could begin at any time.

www.amnesty.org.uk/nazanin-zaghari-ratcliffe-whats-happening

She is not the only British National being detained in Iran.

Sarnia Tue 09-Nov-21 17:37:50

JenniferEccles

My understanding is that she isn’t in prison but is living with her parents but has been forbidden from leaving Iran.

I believe also that she is in contact with her husband and daughter via FaceTime or equivalent.
No substitute for actually being with them of course.

You are right. However, the article I read said she could be returned to prison at any time when the Iranians feel like it. The not knowing must be unbearable. Poor family.

JenniferEccles Tue 09-Nov-21 17:27:55

My understanding is that she isn’t in prison but is living with her parents but has been forbidden from leaving Iran.

I believe also that she is in contact with her husband and daughter via FaceTime or equivalent.
No substitute for actually being with them of course.

Maudi Tue 09-Nov-21 16:43:42

I can't see her ever being released all she can hope for is house arrest then at least she can see and speak to her husband and daughter over the Internet. My heart breaks for her and her poor husband on hunger strike. It's a cruel world we live in.

Dickens Tue 09-Nov-21 16:32:47

"Of course they would find another victim, just as hostage takers always do."

I think lemongrove is right.

Even if we were to pay them, I doubt they'd release her, anyway. And the government will not agree to any payment, because the deal was with the then Shah, who was deposed by the Islamist regime, which our successive governments have deemed makes the agreement null and void.

And if we did pay and they did release her, they'd find another Western hostage. Iran doesn't see itself simply as a regional power, they are actively trying to expand their influence, and this is all part of their game.

When religion is used for a political agenda, the absolutism becomes immoveable.

lemongrove Tue 09-Nov-21 15:56:06

eazybee

The Iranian government is entirely responsible for the imprisonment and the dreadful cat and mouse emotional torture to which they are subjecting Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe.
Susie 42 's post is the truth of the matter, and only a fool would believe that if the money they claim is owed was paid to them this action would stop; they would simply find another victim.

Of course they would find another victim, just as hostage takers always do.

Kali2 Tue 09-Nov-21 14:26:24

Exactly Sarnia.