Penelope Jackson murder trial

She could have just left him. As in walked out. She had a daughter. She could have stayed for a while. Divorced. Got a payout (half) and set up on her own. Yes I feel very sorry for what went on in her 3rd marriage. But it wasn’t all behind closed doors. Her daughter knew some of it. She wasn’t trapped at home with babies and nowhere to run. Sorry but I think she did have options. She didn’t choose any.

That’s shocking, 18 months would have been sufficient.

Phew!
That's harsh, in my opinion.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/29/penelope-jackson-guilty-stabbing-husband-death

The jury are out now.

I sincerely hope so.

Recently a man was given 5 years for murdering his wife because he was fed up of being in lockdown. Another man was given 4 years for "not remembering " strangling a woman to death during sex.
When this woman is sentenced, surely it should be for less time than these men were given.

I think it's right that she will go to prison, despite the circumstances.

Poor woman. I suspect she’ll get sent to prison.

Interesting case, but I think she will go to Prison as she refused to help him when the Ambulance control ask her to help him, even though she is pleading Manslaughter.

David Challen whose mother served 9 years for murdering his father after years of abuse does really good work on this issue.

I don't see how she can not go to prison, having clearly confessed, but hopefully the full circumstances will be taken into account.
She has said it will be worth it.

I think if she doesn`t go to prison there will be a whole can of worms opening up around the country.
I imagine there is a lot of people who have been in/and still are in that situation,men and women,and there`s a good chance there will be more cases if she doesn`t serve time IMO.

She took the law into her own hands and killed her husband and for this there has to be punishment or else it sets a precedence that killing is ok. However, by several accounts there are serious mitigating circumstances for her actions so she will probably get a reduced sentence. Until all the evidence is given we will not know and it will be up to a jury to decide guilt and for the judge to decide the appropriate sentence within the law.

To me this highlights that more support needs to be available for abused wives so that they can leave without being driven to such extreme measures.

Im so sad for this poor woman.
She probably suffered the unimaginable at the hands of husband.
I hope the full truth comes out in court and she has a very good lawyer.

It's easy to comment if you haven't been through it. Oh yes the charming abuser. My father was handsome with an Irish charm. People thought he was great. He used to beat my mother regularly in front of us, smashing her face against the wall, using filthy language and other horrors. He also beat and abused my older sister. I would lie in bed waiting for him to return from the pub, hoping he had died. He came from a lovely family. My mother had nowhere to go in those days.

I haven't been following this so don't know any details but I do know that 'battered wife syndrome' is often put forward by the defence. That there have been previous cases where the victim has 'snapped' and killed their abusive H/partner not during an attack but in the aftermath.

Sago ?

I hope that if it is a custodial sentence it is short and in an open prison, she has already served her time living with a violent controlling man.

We don't really know what she went through. The trial should be able to get to the truth.

I know a lot about abusive men. My father was vile, yet to anyone who met him they'd say what a charming character he was.

She sounded euphoric because she was. She'd finally got rid of him.

I imagine she'll get a short sentence. I don't think she'd be a danger to the public.

Sago

Jackiest

Yes she is playing the poor abused wife card for all she can and her husband is not here to tell his side. After hearing what she said on the 999 call and to the police I will take a lot of convincing to say she should not be in prison for a long time.

He called her 'thing.'
In December she called the police because he was in the home smashing glass with a poker.
A witness saw her the man pushing Penelope against the wall with her nose bloodied.
The same witness saw him hold a knife to Penelope's throat.

Some card.

What is it with this 'playing the card' thing? Is it a tool people use to discredit others without presenting any credible argument?

This is a sad story, I don’t think the judge can do anything other than give a custodial sentence.
I think she knows and accepts that, a few years in prison is probably a fair price to pay to have peace.

My violent and abusive father has been dead over 30 years but if I’m sitting down and hear my husband coming home I immediately get up and start looking busy as my father would have beaten me for being lazy.
You spend your life on the edge, listening for the clues that indicate an outburst is imminent, a line of questioning that’s going to trap you, a meal that’s not hot enough or big enough, an errand that’s not carried out quick enough.
Nobody could understand what it’s like unless you have lived it.

I fully understand what she has done, I think if I had been an adult and physically strong enough I could have happily killed my father.

If she does go to prison I she will have respect and understanding from the other prisoners.

The point about domestic abuse is that they can be charming, they can be sorry, they can be very charismatic.
It's fairly obvious that if they were foul all the time then their cover would be blown and their partners would be off after a week or so.

Jackiest
It’s obvious from your post that you have never been a victim or witnessed domestic abuse: lucky you.

She’s pleaded guilty to manslaughter. It’s become clear during the trial that she was physically, verbally and emotionally abused and humiliated over many years. She sounds to have lost control, as is confirmed by the 999 recording.
She isn’t ‘playing the poor abused wife card’ she was an abused wife. Her daughter gave evidence of three serious assaults she witnessed. If he behaved like that in front of her, we can only begin to imagine what he was like when they were alone.
Women are still more seriously punished than men. How many cases do we read about where ‘provocation’ by the murdered woman is accepted as defence