Eustice bans foreign mineral waters ...

Anyone remember Peckham Water?

This thread reminds me so much of Del Boy.

That is a LOT of them.

Biden's hidden message re the USA have no older nor more loyal than the French was clear as a bell. So we know who the whole of EU and USA will be standing by in next few weeks and months.

It's been a while since I last looked at this thread, and ... wow! ... it's certainly covered a fair bit of ground in the meantime.

From the earbuds down the toilet, along with tile spacers, to the French impounding a Scottish fishing vessel.

It certainly entered choppy waters, railman

It's when you find an earbud in your bottled water that you need to start worrying.

It's been a while since I last looked at this thread, and ... wow! ... it's certainly covered a fair bit of ground in the meantime.

From the earbuds down the toilet, along with tile spacers, to the French impounding a Scottish fishing vessel.

I know we all get excited about some of these topics from time to time, and our choice of comments - yes, even mine - can be a bit near the knuckle, and probably based on our mood or emotional reaction.

But... please be kind whenever you can - we may disagree over the actions of Frostie (Lord Frost) and Macron - but we are literally all in the same boat. Many of us - and I know you're out there - have been banging on about the environment, and the 'limits to growth (economic)' for decades.

We may well be stymied by those we have elected at the moment - but the circumstances will change - at present it seems all many of us can do is hope that change comes soon.

You can think what you want of Macron, or the French, or the EU, or who is right or wrong...

but there are 26 of them supporting France, and they hold the keys to all the ports, in and out.

As Raab said ... (geography).

Seems everyone thinks they own that stretch of water, dating back to the Celts:
Breton: Mor Breizh, "Sea of Brittany";
Cornish: Mor Bretannek, "British Sea")

From BBC Newsround:

The boat was found to not have the correct paperwork to fish in that particular part of the English channel.

(Or, as the French call it 'La Manche'. Calling it the 'English Channel' is misleading. The boat was in French territorial waters)

www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/59089702

I know some might not be able to read the whole article, but the headline tells you enough. www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2021/10/17/french-fishermen-threaten-channel-blockade-france-fails-secure/

I do hope they aren’t going to test any sea water anytime soon anywhere near Le Havre.
Who’s to know if the the crap is from our fishing boats or the French fishing boats ?

Kali2

Well well Lincslass, you are not very fond of the French, are you?

But the French hold all the cards now, backed by 26 other partners. If you are going to really annoy all your nearests neighbours, especially when geographically they hold all the ports, imports and exports, and some of you most necessary utilities, be it energy, medicines, and in this instance, water purifying chemicals- your comments and those of Eustice and co- are not going to help much.

Did you go to the same school as Raab and had the same geography teacher (and history)?

Not quiet as clear cut as you are implying…

Kali2

Now I can agree with your last sentence Gabrielle- but not sure about what it applies to, wow!

In the meantime, as someone said perfectly well on the BBC site

''Starting a trade war when you already have massive supply chain problems and food shortages, Christmas food (especially meats) will need to be imported as farming has collapsed, winter is coming and your opponent can switch off your gas and electricity at will... plus your international reputation is garbage so you can rely on no tangible support is... well... so very Brexit! ''

Exactly.

Still, I need to lose weight.

Kali2

Well well Lincslass, you are not very fond of the French, are you?

But the French hold all the cards now, backed by 26 other partners. If you are going to really annoy all your nearests neighbours, especially when geographically they hold all the ports, imports and exports, and some of you most necessary utilities, be it energy, medicines, and in this instance, water purifying chemicals- your comments and those of Eustice and co- are not going to help much.

Did you go to the same school as Raab and had the same geography teacher (and history)?

Oh dear, I’ve committed the grave sin of daring to criticise the. French Government again. So it’s ok in your eyes for the French to break the rules I guess, who obviously aren’t sticking to the agreement, in fact they are theiving, along with Spain , I find you rude and condescending to anyone who even dares point out the French are in the wrong, and what is this thing you have re geography. What a snide comment .

Well well Lincslass, you are not very fond of the French, are you?

But the French hold all the cards now, backed by 26 other partners. If you are going to really annoy all your nearests neighbours, especially when geographically they hold all the ports, imports and exports, and some of you most necessary utilities, be it energy, medicines, and in this instance, water purifying chemicals- your comments and those of Eustice and co- are not going to help much.

Did you go to the same school as Raab and had the same geography teacher (and history)?

Katie59

France has just arrested a UK trawler for illegal fishing, more tit for tat, this round of negotiation is far from over. All sorts of restrictive measures are threatened in addition.

www.shorehamherald.co.uk/news/environment/shoreham-fishing-vessel-caught-up-in-post-brexit-row-3436818
So it appears not illegal, but little bully boy Macron trying to do his Napoleon dance. Seems the French are hypocrites too
uk.newschant.com/uk-news/brexit-fishing-fury-trio-of-illegal-and-dangerous-french-ships-caught-in-uk-waters-uk-news/

Actually lamb is quite a wasteful animal to butcher. Compare to pigs or cows it is quite bony and cuts like breast and scrag end aren't high value. It's a lot of work for the meat you get.

Probably worth its own thread this- and very surprised it has not been mentionned yet.

Now I can agree with your last sentence Gabrielle- but not sure about what it applies to, wow!

In the meantime, as someone said perfectly well on the BBC site

''Starting a trade war when you already have massive supply chain problems and food shortages, Christmas food (especially meats) will need to be imported as farming has collapsed, winter is coming and your opponent can switch off your gas and electricity at will... plus your international reputation is garbage so you can rely on no tangible support is... well... so very Brexit! ''

Bottled water? Buy cheap fizz from Aldi -deeeelish! Proven beyond doubt that water is water the world over , slight differences in underlying dryness due to lime content but nevertheless it's all the same. Andcanwe now have some reasonably priced seafood for a change instead of us all subsidising overseas buyers? Same with lamb, there's 1000s of sheep in UK , over every fence here in Lancashire yet I cannot afford /refuse to pay ridiculous cost of Lamb. One idiot "butcher" in a supermarket once told me it's dear because it's wasteful and harder to joint ,ha ha! Never heard such a load of codswallop , there's another thing - the price of codswallop's gone throught the roof.........

lemongrove

25Avalon

Has Eustace actually banned EU mineral water? I think not. My understanding is that from January 7th EU companies cannot use their EU accreditation but will have to apply for accreditation from the UK. This is not the same as a ban.

I believe this topic was first raised because political groups were criticising the sewerage system and wanting water authorities to take responsibility for over spills during flooding. It was publicised by saying we would all be drinking filthy river water especially as mineral water was banned. There is plenty of mineral water in this country and EU water is not banned. It was a way of grabbing the headlines. I guess rivers and sewerage is what we should really be discussing.

Worth listing your comments again Avalon ?
As you correctly say, it is not banned....but posters rarely bother to read all the comments and just jump in believing it to be.?
I can’t see why people want to waste hard earned money on bottled water, but if they do, fine, their choice, and when these
EU country ‘bottlers’ have their accreditation from the UK then their products can flow as normal.

Or posters believe what suits their own agenda methinks.

Kali2

Well of course- water is treated with chemicals (those we are currently unable to import from EU due to Brexit) - via water treatment plants. There are no other ways of returning water 'safely' into the system.

Yes, but Callistemon seems to be implying that the chemicals used to treat the sewage are, themselves, polluting our waterways.

Is this true?

Well of course- water is treated with chemicals (those we are currently unable to import from EU due to Brexit) - via water treatment plants. There are no other ways of returning water 'safely' into the system.

but sewage treated with chemicals has always gone into streams and rivers.

@Cllistemon
Has it?

I'm aware that untreated sewage can be discharged into watercourses from storm overflow chambers (as I said earlier, I have one on my land, installed about 20 years ago, and it has actually made a positive difference to the amount of sewage being discharged into the beck) but is that where treated sewage goes, too? And are you saying that treated sewage contains harmful chemicals?

For those, like me, who aren't at al knowledgeable about the treatment process

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sewage_treatment
Fascinating...

Whilst I think we should be doing our best not to increase the amount of urine and faeces in the oceans I am more concerned about plastic. Biological waste degrades or provides food for marine life but far more toxic wastes are dumped in the oceans which should concern us greatly.

It's not just biological waste that is dumped into the oceans from our sewers but every single thing that people put down the toilet. I live by the sea and pick up waste on the beach most days. The things I find most frequently are the plastic sticks from cotton buds. Sometimes dozens in a 50 metre stretch. Millions of tiny bits of plastic going into our ocean and food chain.

Other frequent finds by which I mean multiples of every day are those harp like floss things, plasticy tampon tubes, disposable razors, toothpaste tubes, syringes and tile spacers (thank you plumbers!) ........I think people must put all these things down the lav rather than use the bathroom bin.

I walk the beach with my dog and fill bin bags with the stuff which I then recycle. It's your stuff. I do this.

On the subject of the poo...stuff might eat the poo we discard but in the interim I would really rather not be swimming and walking in in when I visit the ocean each day.

The bad faith from some is just unbelievable, and intolerable.

I do hope you're not referring to me. My concern for what is happening to our waterways, oceans and marine life goes way back before this thread was started.

I am not disagreeing that this is backwards step but sewage treated with chemicals has always gone into streams and rivers.
That is not right either - what are the chemicals doing to our waters and wildlife?