National Trust bans blood sports on its land

Lilydrop

I have never understood any kind of hunting. What do people get out of hunting and killing a poor defenceless Animal.

Well, if the young lads I used to work with are anything to go by, they trained their dogs to rip rabbits or hares apart and got a big thrill out of watching them do it. They're the ones that sicken me the most.

Most hunt followers rarely, if ever, saw a fox being killed and didn't follow for the pleasure of seeing an animal killed.

It's a bit like sticking around while someone is beaten up, but not not throwing a punch, as far as I'm concerned.

Daisymae

Good news. This is about attempting to uphold the law, hunting with dogs is illegal in this county and this is a way of getting around it. I don't know why hunts feel they can act with impunity.

No, upholding the law would be prosecuting hunts which illegally kill an animal, 'accidentally' or deliberately. And giving them big fines.

Urmstongran

Hmm. 21,000 proxy votes to be used by the chairman as she sees fit does not seem to be very democratic to me.

Do you have any evidence as to how those proxy votes were cast?

A member can lend their vote to the proxy or tell the proxy which way to vote. I checked the NT agm results and there are no discretionary votes recorded for the ban against trail hunting (there are for other motions). This means that the proxy was given directions.

If you think about the motion it's highly unlikely that anyone voting would not specify whether they were for or against.

To continue - it's undemocratic when the NT uses proxies but not when public companies use them for their shareholders? By the way, more than 76 thousand voted for the ban and 38 thousand against.

MissAdventure

Your argument is unsubstantiated by the fact that hunting isn't just for toffs, as has been pointed out on here.
Personally, I'm not in favour of and find it sickening that any person could gain pleasure from killing an animal for "sport".

I know that hunting isn't just for toffs. I live in the country. There is a local hunt. People I know hunt, not 'toffs' at all. But, 'stick one on the elite' has always been part of the anti hunting rhetoric.

All I'm saying is that they're not 'toffs' and they don't hunt out of some sort of blood lust. Drag hunting is about the last opportunity horse people have to ride at speed across country.

I don't support the killing of animals for sport at all. I'm even rather meurgh about fishing, where the poor things can potentially be caught and handled time and time again...

Anyway, I'll leave you all to get on with it, now.

Well, if the elite need one sticking on 'em, then I'm all for it.

To quote Oscar Wilde "the unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable" Difficult to describe him as being "anti toff"

MaizieD

Lilydrop

I have never understood any kind of hunting. What do people get out of hunting and killing a poor defenceless Animal.

Well, if the young lads I used to work with are anything to go by, they trained their dogs to rip rabbits or hares apart and got a big thrill out of watching them do it. They're the ones that sicken me the most.

Most hunt followers rarely, if ever, saw a fox being killed and didn't follow for the pleasure of seeing an animal killed.

Few people are aware of the strong link with the hunters in red coats, and the activities of their 'terrier men'. The riders in red coat don't want to know and close a blind eye- because the terrier men fo their dirty work. Very strong and proven links to coursing, lamping, badger digging, baiting and fighting, with or without dogs. Ask any wildlife Police Inspector- and anyone from local wildlife and badger groups.