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Is Macron sabre rattling?

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Urmstongran Mon 01-Nov-21 10:19:20

What do we think?
Tomorrow he has to put up or shut up I think.

Alegrias1 Wed 03-Nov-21 13:21:16

1314. Nowhere near France.

And I don't blame Katherine at all; it was an ill-judged incursion into England and they let the blood rush to their heads when they all charged down that hill.

Jabberwok Wed 03-Nov-21 13:15:46

James 1Vth chose to launch an invasion, so you can't really blame Katherine for Flodden. I presume the battle in 1214 was the battle of Bouvines. A French victory against a coalition that included King John. No problem with mentioning it, any more than any other French victory, including the loss of Calais. That's the joy of the cut and thrust history.

MaizieD Wed 03-Nov-21 12:59:04

They have an Aberdeen address for company correspondence.

When I looked them up a few days ago it seems that the official address they're using is also the address of about 100 other companies!

Here are a few of them; the result of a search on the Macduff Shellfish registered office address

duckduckgo.com/?q=Pinsent+Masons+Llp%2C+13+Queens+Road%2C+Aberdeen%2C+Scotland%2C+AB15+4YL&t=chromentp&ia=maps

Alegrias1 Wed 03-Nov-21 12:58:10

Macron deserves everything he gets. Aussies take no crap. Neither should the UK.

I've lived in France and I've lived in Australia.

The French don't have fistfights in their parliament and I never felt the need to refer to any of their contemporary politicians as "The Liar", unlike some recent Australian politicians.

Being a larrikin isn't great for international politics.

MaizieD Wed 03-Nov-21 12:54:17

MerylStreep

Vegansrock
The Scotsman seems to refute you claim that the Fishing boat is owned by a Canadian company.
I’ve serched for evidence of your claim but no joy.

www.scotsman.com/news/environment/scottish-owners-of-scallop-dredger-detained-by-france-urge-uk-government-help-3436541

I've looked them up at Companies House.

Interesting that their Directors are Canadian...

find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/search?q=Macduff+Shellfish

Have a look at the filing history of Macduff Shellfish Group Ltd. hmm

Alegrias1 Wed 03-Nov-21 12:52:40

I have a soft spot for Katherine of Aragon. If only it wasn't for Flodden wink.

Flodden was 1513, Agincourt was about a hundred years before, I think?

Then there was another battle a hundred years before that, in 1314. But we don't talk about it, no use picking over old battles to upset the losers.

Josianne Wed 03-Nov-21 12:50:22

Did you know that History is the second most popular degree subject after politics in terms of MPs studies at university?

Alegrias1 Wed 03-Nov-21 12:49:17

MerylStreep

Vegansrock
The Scotsman seems to refute you claim that the Fishing boat is owned by a Canadian company.
I’ve serched for evidence of your claim but no joy.

www.scotsman.com/news/environment/scottish-owners-of-scallop-dredger-detained-by-france-urge-uk-government-help-3436541

The two active directors listed in Macduff Seafood's returns on the Companies House website are both Canadian.

They have an Aberdeen address for company correspondence.

Also this: find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/SC395537/charges

Mamie Wed 03-Nov-21 12:47:46

In your dreams Urmstongran. ???

Jabberwok Wed 03-Nov-21 12:36:52

Henry Vth was not Welsh. He was born at Monmouth Castle in 1386, hence his name Henry of Monmouth. He was the grandson of John of Gaunt, who was the third son of of Edward 111rd. Yes Katherine of Aragon acting as regent did lead the English army against the Scots. The battle of Flodden field resulting in the death of James 1Vth of Scotland who was HenryV111th son in law! Fascinating stuff history with all its twists and turns. Never listen or watch Jeremy Vine, not my COT at all, so can't comment on that.

MerylStreep Wed 03-Nov-21 12:36:01

Vegansrock
The Scotsman seems to refute you claim that the Fishing boat is owned by a Canadian company.
I’ve serched for evidence of your claim but no joy.

www.scotsman.com/news/environment/scottish-owners-of-scallop-dredger-detained-by-france-urge-uk-government-help-3436541

Josianne Wed 03-Nov-21 12:35:35

Mamie

Not much of a point though is it Josianne. Do you know any French people who get upset in October because of Azincourt?
I don't. ???

No I don't either Mamie!

Urmstongran Wed 03-Nov-21 12:31:27

What is a low was for France to brief against AZ vaccine.

It was a low when French and the EU stopped vaccine delivery to Australia.

It was a low when the French president accused Morrison of lying.

So .... Scott Morrison defends himself by letting us know that Macron did know about the sub deal going rogue. The French even sent generals to Australia to discuss the situation prior to the AUKUS deal announcement.

Macron is now a busted flush and he should be called out on his bluffs every time. Hence he walks out of Cop26 in a huff.

Macron deserves everything he gets. Aussies take no crap. Neither should the UK.

MaizieD Wed 03-Nov-21 12:23:17

Josianne

To be fair JRM did read History at Trinity College, Oxford. I guess we all gravitate towards our own learnings a bit to get a point across!

But in this day and age we shouldn't be making 'we won x,y,z battle/war' remarks. It's very childish.

And, TBH, if you've studied history you should be aware of the past mistakes which led to conflict and doing your best to avoid them. Not indulging in 'nerr, nerr, ni, nerr, nerr', 'my dad's bigger than your dad' rhetoric.

Mamie Wed 03-Nov-21 12:19:38

Not much of a point though is it Josianne. Do you know any French people who get upset in October because of Azincourt?
I don't. ???

MaizieD Wed 03-Nov-21 12:19:00

Think it was funny what Mogg said,rather tongue in cheek,

Where you stand depends on where you sit, of course. I don't see that comment as 'tongue in cheek' amusing. I see it as pathetic, rude and deliberately encouraging unthinking 'patriotism'.

Rees Mogg apologists remind me of people who defend making sexist, ageist or racist comments/jokes as just indulging in a bit of banter.

Josianne Wed 03-Nov-21 12:07:55

To be fair JRM did read History at Trinity College, Oxford. I guess we all gravitate towards our own learnings a bit to get a point across!

Whitewavemark2 Wed 03-Nov-21 12:03:33

At the time of Agincourt that is.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 03-Nov-21 12:02:13

Alegrias1

I think its more sinister than that. He's not stupid and he knows that making fun of the French is an ideal way of diverting attention from the debacle of Brexit, while contributing to the myth that the French hate us and everything's their fault.

BTW - The Scots were on the side of the French at the time of Agincourt. Just saying grin

Didn’t Katherine of Aragon fight a war and win against the Scots?

Lincslass Wed 03-Nov-21 11:55:24

Alegrias1

Lincslass

Alegrias1

I think its more sinister than that. He's not stupid and he knows that making fun of the French is an ideal way of diverting attention from the debacle of Brexit, while contributing to the myth that the French hate us and everything's their fault.

BTW - The Scots were on the side of the French at the time of Agincourt. Just saying grin

Yes we know, we still won.

Where "we" is the English, yes?

^Plus ça change^

Of course. ?. But to be honest that was too long ago to be of any importance to most of us English. Think it was funny what Mogg said,rather tongue in cheek, pity people took it seriously.

MaizieD Wed 03-Nov-21 11:50:44

Alegrias1

Henry V was Welsh, wasn't he? Or am I relying too much on Shakespeare for historical accuracy grin

I don't think so! He spent a lot of time fighting the Welsh..

I think you may be thinking of Henry VII. HIs father was of Welsh descent.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_VII_of_England

Mamie Wed 03-Nov-21 11:26:48

There is a lovely little museum at Azincourt; brings it all to life brilliantly.
Of course the Francophobes would have to come here to see it. ?

Alegrias1 Wed 03-Nov-21 11:21:07

Henry V was Welsh, wasn't he? Or am I relying too much on Shakespeare for historical accuracy grin

Calistemon Wed 03-Nov-21 11:18:09

Alegrias1

Lincslass

Alegrias1

I think its more sinister than that. He's not stupid and he knows that making fun of the French is an ideal way of diverting attention from the debacle of Brexit, while contributing to the myth that the French hate us and everything's their fault.

BTW - The Scots were on the side of the French at the time of Agincourt. Just saying grin

Yes we know, we still won.

Where "we" is the English, yes?

^Plus ça change^

Here we go again!

Surely everyone knows that the Welsh won the Battle of Agincourt for the English king?
They were wearing their Monmouth caps which gave them special powers.

Mamie Wed 03-Nov-21 11:10:01

Visgirl It is not 98% granted. Please read my post of 0458.
If you think the 100 fishers whose licences have not been granted have never fished in the waters, then where is your evidence?