Is Macron sabre rattling?

I thought the importance of the discussions with the EU was planning for the future. This constant reference to the past is irrelevant.

Lincslass

Alegrias1

I think its more sinister than that. He's not stupid and he knows that making fun of the French is an ideal way of diverting attention from the debacle of Brexit, while contributing to the myth that the French hate us and everything's their fault.

BTW - The Scots were on the side of the French at the time of Agincourt. Just saying

Yes we know, we still won.

Where "we" is the English, yes?

Plus ça change

Visgir1

98 % of fishing permit have been granted so all this is for 2% and those boats have no History of Fishing in those waters.
I agree with Australia comment to Macron.. Get over it.

Absolutely.

Alegrias1

I think its more sinister than that. He's not stupid and he knows that making fun of the French is an ideal way of diverting attention from the debacle of Brexit, while contributing to the myth that the French hate us and everything's their fault.

BTW - The Scots were on the side of the French at the time of Agincourt. Just saying

Yes we know, we still won.

Alegrias1 I think the swift return of scotch salmon may have something to do with the Auld Alliance. ?

I think its more sinister than that. He's not stupid and he knows that making fun of the French is an ideal way of diverting attention from the debacle of Brexit, while contributing to the myth that the French hate us and everything's their fault.

BTW - The Scots were on the side of the French at the time of Agincourt. Just saying

I agree Scones it is just showing off a load of events and dates in history. Just learn about it in school and then shut up.

Mamie

Jacob Rees-Mogg has said this on Twitter.
"The French are always grumpy in October, the anniversaries of Trafalgar and Agincourt upset them."
Strangely enough he didn't mention October 14th 1066.
What a numpty!

Our country would be a much better place to live if our leaders focused on the present day rather than spouting imagined nonsense (often in Latin) based loosely on events that happened 550 and 150 years before they were born.

Despite some people imagining it to be so, the French people do not base their entire existence, lifestyle and day to day mood on their past and present interaction with the British. To think other countries are some kind of satellite of us is an arrogant hangover from the days of empire and frankly makes us look like gloating, pathetic barrel-dredgers.

Ironic that a large % of catch by British registered fishing boats is sold to the EU. Frosty did not get them a good deal- maybe this is to divert attention from that?

You would have to add seafood to the list Kali2. At the beginning of border controls it was quite hard to get scotch salmon, but according to our fishmongers it is much easier now and it is certainly back on the stalls. I think the vast majority of arraignée come from the UK too.

Was it the radio 2 Jeremy Vine call in or the TV program?

I didn't hear the lady in question, but I had no trouble purchasing two Bonne Maman advent calendars (from Fenwicks) recently. And I'm not going without my hunk of comté or bleu d'auvergne from Burrough Market.

The French must be quaking in their boots at the idea of that lady from Kent saying she will boycott French products...

Goes both ways, and the EU can buy from each other and basically cover all their needs this way, and also exports ot most of the world, including USA.

Which product would the EU 27 need to buy from the UK, which they can't get from each other. Stilton and whisky - perhaps. I'd miss both, but certainly could live without.

Irish whiskey is not bad at all, and there are plenty of great blue cheeses in Europe (but yes, I'd miss my favourite, Stilton- but hey ho).

Does he ever say anything serious or not sneery ?

Jacob Rees-Mogg has said this on Twitter.
"The French are always grumpy in October, the anniversaries of Trafalgar and Agincourt upset them."
Strangely enough he didn't mention October 14th 1066.
What a numpty!

This from Vegansrock a thousand times.

"Why all this fuss about fishing anyway? it’s a tiny part of our GDP, overfishing means decline of marine life and the fishing industry is the biggest polluter of the seas with a huge amount of plastic and other waste."

The fishing detritus I pick up on the beach in one week would fill a bath tub. They call it 'Ghost Gear'. Here's some information if anyone is interested. www.ghostfishing.co.uk/

Did you hear the older womand from Kent raving on the Jeremy Vine show? I did wonder if she is also on GN.

One thing I've learnt on Gransnet. That there is an amazing number of unaccountable but biased "news" sites around the world, catering to all the most outlandish notions that people have.

Sorry Lincslass, I can only see rather wild rhetoric in those links. They are not exactly strong on evidence, are they?

Mamie

Here is the latest John Lichfield Twitter thread; hope it might help throw some light on the subject.
"There is confusion about the number of missing French fishing licences at the centre of the greatest Franco-British spat since 2003 (or maybe since 1898 or, some stubborn historians insist, 1066). Here is a brief attempt to crunch the stats. 1/6
Having collated different sources (others are available), here is my best guess at the state of play.
Licences asked for by ?? 361
Given permanently 148 (41%)
Temporarily 113 (31%)
Missing 100
2/6
This breaks down as follows:
Jersey (for Norman and Breton boats): 113 issued, 49 temporary and 55 missing.
Guernsey (for Norman and Breton boats): 64 temporary.
England (for Pas de Calais boats): 35 issued, 45 missing.
Hang on, doesn’t the UKG, which never lies, say it has issued 98% of licences requested? This is an obfuscation. Britain has issued circa 1,800 licences to all EU boats to fish in UK waters under the post-Brexit treaty. UKG says this represents 98%. It’s more like 90% . BUT 4/6
Most of these licences are for fishing beyond 12 miles. The UK has NO right under the treaty to refuse such requests. The dispute is about special licences for fishing 6-12 miles from the |Channel Islands and S England where Fr (and some B/NL boats) have fished for centuries 5/6
In the 6-12 mile zone EU (mostly Fr) boats “qualify” for a licence IF they have fished there in recent years. Nothing in the treaty says how they should prove they did so. Mistake. Proof needed by small boats without satellite tracking is at the heart of the present dispute. 6/6"

Urmstongran if you want to discuss "fishermen's fibs" then I suggest you come up with the tiniest soupçon of evidence.
As to Macron and Morrison, I thought it was absolutely clear what Macron was saying. "I don't think, I know". Morrison didn't like being called out. Obvious really.

www.dailyadvent.com/gb/news/ac7be165d15f63311223e20ae24ce9b0-French-fishermen-accused-of-illegally-trying-their-luck-in-audacious-scam-to-get-licence

www.businessfast.co.uk/stroppy-emmanuel-macron-quit-cop26-early-after-being-snubbed-by-boris-johnson/

Perhaps this will answer some of your questions.

Alegrias1

First mention of Joe Biden sleeping was at 19:19 on Monday.

Hypocrisy of travel arrangements discussed widely on the COP threads, including a pretty swift debunking of a ridiculous claim made on GB News.

To whom should we accord the blame for this UK government - organised conference not being able to accommodate wheelchair users?

This is a fishing thread. All the COP stuff is on the COP threads.

It’s interesting how people seem to have given up trying to defend Johnson as they slowly realise what a pointless and thankless task that is, and instead now point to others as if that excuses him.

Perhaps we could be told who owns all these “British” fishing boats? They may U.K. registered but most of them owned by foreign companies. The one was impounded in Le Havre registered in Scotland but owned by a Canadian company. I think British fisherfolk are now realising they were better off before Brexit. Why all this fuss about fishing anyway? it’s a tiny part of our GDP, overfishing means decline of marine life and the fishing industry is the biggest polluter of the seas with a huge amount of plastic and other waste, It should all be reduced/ cleaned up. Pity our representative on the fishing committee of the EU , one Nigel Fartage, couldn’t be ar*ed to turn up for any meetings so no U.K. influence when we had the chance.

Here is the latest John Lichfield Twitter thread; hope it might help throw some light on the subject.
"There is confusion about the number of missing French fishing licences at the centre of the greatest Franco-British spat since 2003 (or maybe since 1898 or, some stubborn historians insist, 1066). Here is a brief attempt to crunch the stats. 1/6
Having collated different sources (others are available), here is my best guess at the state of play.
Licences asked for by ?? 361
Given permanently 148 (41%)
Temporarily 113 (31%)
Missing 100
2/6
This breaks down as follows:
Jersey (for Norman and Breton boats): 113 issued, 49 temporary and 55 missing.
Guernsey (for Norman and Breton boats): 64 temporary.
England (for Pas de Calais boats): 35 issued, 45 missing.
Hang on, doesn’t the UKG, which never lies, say it has issued 98% of licences requested? This is an obfuscation. Britain has issued circa 1,800 licences to all EU boats to fish in UK waters under the post-Brexit treaty. UKG says this represents 98%. It’s more like 90% . BUT 4/6
Most of these licences are for fishing beyond 12 miles. The UK has NO right under the treaty to refuse such requests. The dispute is about special licences for fishing 6-12 miles from the |Channel Islands and S England where Fr (and some B/NL boats) have fished for centuries 5/6
In the 6-12 mile zone EU (mostly Fr) boats “qualify” for a licence IF they have fished there in recent years. Nothing in the treaty says how they should prove they did so. Mistake. Proof needed by small boats without satellite tracking is at the heart of the present dispute. 6/6"

Urmstongran if you want to discuss "fishermen's fibs" then I suggest you come up with the tiniest soupçon of evidence.
As to Macron and Morrison, I thought it was absolutely clear what Macron was saying. "I don't think, I know". Morrison didn't like being called out. Obvious really.

First mention of Joe Biden sleeping was at 19:19 on Monday.

Hypocrisy of travel arrangements discussed widely on the COP threads, including a pretty swift debunking of a ridiculous claim made on GB News.

To whom should we accord the blame for this UK government - organised conference not being able to accommodate wheelchair users?

This is a fishing thread. All the COP stuff is on the COP threads.

MayBeMaw

Excellent point Peasblossom
The overfishing of our waters by fishing boats of other countries has been an issue for many years- long before Brexit was a twinkle in the EU’s eye.
Scottish fishermen have long despaired of seeing their livelihood destroyed by (particularly ) France and Spain and no doubt the same applied to the NE and Cornish fishermen.
Remember the Cod Wars when Iceland extended its exclusive fishing rights from 4 miles to 12 miles and ultimately 200 miles?
It seems we are the only country with no say over our own fishing waters
britishseafishing.co.uk/the-cod-wars/

It wasn't just the fishermen who lost their livelihoods.
Others, such as marine engineers who serviced and maintained their boats did so too.

Yes, I remember the 'Cod Wars' very well. A phrase coined by a journalist, I believe, as they weren't wars as such. Disputes had gone on for centuries and other European countries were involved too.
The Royal Navy was there merely to protect British fishing boats from attacks by the Icelandic coastguards.