Is Macron sabre rattling?

Urmstongran, leaving aside the goady malarkey I’d like to politely ask yiu what this means “ Marcos Sefcovic, a European Commission vice-president seems worried that Boris finally growing a pair about something. I ‘do hope so, but it will not make up for the green suicide mission he is on

“I understand the Jersey fishers were perfectly happy with the French boats being there”

This isn’t true. The President of the Jersey fishers association has spoken about the French demands to have no restrictions placed on them, whilst Jersey fishermen continue to operate within the restraints of their licences.

The issue of licences is for the benefit of everyone (and the planet) to prevent over-fishing and maintain stocks. Everyone would like a bigger quota on their licence. If everyone gets it there’ll soon be no fish?

You could just wait. Quietly and politely? That would be a novelty.

Urmstongran

Stop being goady Lucca.

I’m not being “goady” at all. Just interested to see the debate progress.

No I didn’t expect a smooth ride. Definitely expected some bumps in the road. However, recently the EU took off 80% of checks for produce going to N.I. Now, if that were possible, why did they insist on so many checks in the first place?

It’s so easy to pick on the little fishermen who are just seeking a small living. The fishermen in inland Scottish waters are having problems as well. These are also family businesses. Large trawler owners are those who are wrecking the marine environment.

I wish our stupid politicians would just sit down and negotiate instead of shouting at each other. It brings to mind small children arguing about their toys. Those who threaten loudest …..

Urmstongran

Kali2

Urmstongran

What do we think?
Tomorrow he has to put up or shut up I think.

Stop being so goady Urmstongran!

Macron doesn’t read these threads.

I do.
Others are being goady (again) toward me.
Never mind I’m getting used to it now.
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Oh, go on, you love it really...

Anyway, I was thinking this morning, as I mucked out my little pony's stable, just what did you expect would happen when we left the EU? Did you think everything would just go on as usual?

The 98% figure was not correct. 90% of EU licences had been granted and the remaining 10% refused were all French. Many of these are small Normandy fishing boats who have fished in local waters around Jersey for generations. They do not always have the equipment that enable bigger boats to prove historic locations.
Macron is concerned for the rights and livelihoods of French citizens. It is what good politicians do. Not sure why it is so difficult to understand.

So what on earth is Macron getting his knickers in a twist about?

I think he's a bit peed off about the UK not sticking to the negotiated agreements that were signed. That's the first bit of the sentence agreements have to be respected and are non negotiable,

And of course, the Beloved Leader never postures and grandstands...

Kali2

Urmstongran

What do we think?
Tomorrow he has to put up or shut up I think.

Stop being so goady Urmstongran!

Macron doesn’t read these threads.

I do.
Others are being goady (again) toward me.
Never mind I’m getting used to it now.
?

Lucca

Mamie exactly right, of course. Awaiting Urmstongran’s take on the correct translation……..not holding breath of course,

Well, so am I.

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Visgir1

98 % of fishing permit have been granted so all this is for 2% and those boats have no History of Fishing in those waters.
I agree with Australia comment to Macron.. Get over it.

One reason for them not having records is that they are tiny boats and don't have GPS equipment.

It's also been pointed out that if they'd fished there for years and years with no problem they could hardly have anticipated the UK leaving the EU and the need to keep records to prove their 'rights'.

As they are tiny boats, I doubt if what they catch is particularly significant. It's not as if they were factory trawlers hoovering up everything on the seabed for miles around.

It's a stupid dispute that the government is using to whip up anti EU feeling. I understand that the Jersey fishers were perfectly happy with the French boats being there and many of them are supporting them against the UK.

Jersey was never in the EU, anyway, so this is whole situation is very weird.

Urmstongran

What do we think?
Tomorrow he has to put up or shut up I think.

Stop being so goady Urmstongran!

Stop being goady Lucca.

Breaking News:

Jersey has offered France 49 temporary fishing licences in an attempt to prevent Paris carrying out its threat to the Channel Island’s energy supplies.

Emmanuel Macron has set Jersey and the UK a deadline of midnight to make a “significant offer” on fishing licences or face retaliation, including increased energy prices or preventing goods being landed at ports.

Jersey has now issued 162 permanent and temporary licences to French vessels, which blockaded its main port in May in protest. However, French fishermen have demanded 216 licences, which means the offer may not be enough to satisfy Paris.

Mamie exactly right, of course. Awaiting Urmstongran’s take on the correct translation……..not holding breath of course,

Okay. ‘Dommages’ in this context means disadvantages. I get that.
So what on earth is Macron getting his knickers in a twist about?
Some say he’s gearing up for the election next April in France. To look ‘tough’ against the threat of the Right politicians nipping at his heels.

ExDancer I am sure understands geography very well, and the reality of this situation.

Actually, it was Wwmk2 who made the original error, Kali. I'm sure she's suitably chastened now ?

(I'd've just blamed predictive text...)

98 % of fishing permit have been granted so all this is for 2% and those boats have no History of Fishing in those waters.
I agree with Australia comment to Macron.. Get over it.

Mamie

I posted a translation at 11.31 * MaizieD*. The issue sees to have mostly been about the translation of "dommages" as damage. It can mean that, but here in the plural and in the context of the letter it has the sense of downsides or disadvantages.

I just posted the snippet in French as a back up to your translation, Mamie. Seeing as you're an evil Remainer you might have been deliberately mistranslating it???

(Good excuse, isn't it? I'd actually gone away and done something else and forgotten the full content of everyone''s posts...)

Here:
It's necessary to show European public opinion that agreements have to be respected and are non negotiable, and that there are more downsides to leaving the union than staying in".

I posted a translation at 11.31 * MaizieD*. The issue sees to have mostly been about the translation of "dommages" as damage. It can mean that, but here in the plural and in the context of the letter it has the sense of downsides or disadvantages.

MerylStreep

*New Jersey*
And this from a poster who’s always giving us in the uk geography lessons as to where our ports are situated.

I am not sure at all you understood the relevance of this comment!!!

ExDancer I am sure understands geography very well, and the reality of this situation.

Course it was all those remainers fault -Frosty the unelected no man wrote and signed a deal no one bothered to read. Why Johnson is bothered by this when he’s allowing sewage being poured into the sea and overfishing means whole species are rapidly declining. Surely he should be more concerned with averting the climate crisis, if that isn’t done there won’t be any fish anyway.

This is the only part of the letter that can possibly be misinterpreted. The rest just sets out the situation as it appears to the French.

I can't see anything in this about damaging the UK. Perhaps one of our posters who live in France can translate it for you Ug (or are you an expert reader of French?)

I have seen several translations of this on twitter by native French speakers or by people who speak and read French (yes, we do have Brits that can do this . I'll post one or two after I've heard Ug's response.