Are we about to trigger Article 16?

Petera you're quite right. And there is doubt about NI support too.
But at the minute NI is part of the UK and I can understand unionists wanting to be treated as such.

Katie59 I see you have a good grasp of the problem. Thank you, appreciated. I have lived here 70 years so I needed you to explain.
And I am well aware that there are those who don't care about this part of the UK.

Katie59

I for one do not have any sympathy with the Unionist or Loyalist cause celebrating a battle 1690 over 300 yrs ago is just stupid. Whatever the so called cultural traditions are involved, it’s well past the time they changed, my brother served in NI during the troubles and still bears the scars.
The future for NI is as a region of the ROI, cross border trade has been free for many years to the benefit of both sides, so get on with it. Others have said “England doesn’t care”, I certainly don’t.

Ignoring the last few words...

The thing that's never really discussed about Irish reunification, and I can never get a straight answer form Irish friends either, is that it’s not simply a decision for NI. There needs to be a majority in Ireland as well.

I am well aware that this was essentially a part of the Irish constitution until recently, and that political noises are made, but I remain unconvinced that, in a secret ballot, the Irish population would actually vote in favour. They would be allowing the UK to wash its hands (even more) of the problem and taking it fully on themselves.

Katie59

I for one do not have any sympathy with the Unionist or Loyalist cause celebrating a battle 1690 over 300 yrs ago is just stupid. Whatever the so called cultural traditions are involved, it’s well past the time they changed, my brother served in NI during the troubles and still bears the scars.
The future for NI is as a region of the ROI, cross border trade has been free for many years to the benefit of both sides, so get on with it. Others have said “England doesn’t care”, I certainly don’t.

Good Lord! ???

I for one do not have any sympathy with the Unionist or Loyalist cause celebrating a battle 1690 over 300 yrs ago is just stupid. Whatever the so called cultural traditions are involved, it’s well past the time they changed, my brother served in NI during the troubles and still bears the scars.
The future for NI is as a region of the ROI, cross border trade has been free for many years to the benefit of both sides, so get on with it. Others have said “England doesn’t care”, I certainly don’t.

There is no other solution, but that has been known since before the referendum when all the issues were being thrashed out.

They’ve had 6-7 years to come up with an alternative solution there is none under EU rules.

So it is a border which breaks the GFA or the SM. Or I suppose the third solution is that NI joins ROI and becomes one country.

Agreeing to any border,anywhere, was always going to be a problem. As was pointed out before the referendum. But the English really didn't care.

I'm sorry that the Brexit stupidity has put NI in such a dreadful position. I can't see any solution apart from the UK rejoining the Single Market.

I'm not aware that most people are happy about it Maisie. There are still concerns.
And there is still an almost even split on the border issue.
I don't know how the problem is going to be resolved to either groups satisfaction. Agreeing to the Irish sea border was always going to be a problem.

nadateturbe

I thought you might want to know what's happening in Belfast because of the protocol.

www.google.com/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2021/11/08/northern-ireland-bus-set-alight-in-belfast-amid-brexit-protests-15560963/amp/

Perhaps you can clarify the situation there, nadateturb.

Because I get the impression that on the whole the people in NI are quite happy with the protocol now that supply chains have been adjusted, but that the Unionists are making a fuss about it. Presumably they want to share our shortages?

I thought you might want to know what's happening in Belfast because of the protocol.

www.google.com/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2021/11/08/northern-ireland-bus-set-alight-in-belfast-amid-brexit-protests-15560963/amp/

Unfortunately, the economic arguement wasn't what Brexit was about for a vast section of the voters. It was primarily about limiting immigration and "sovereignty". Pathetic, in my view.

Your OP seemed to rejoice and look forward to Art 16 being triggered- and this is what caused such a reaction.

Because it will have massive consequences- and probably lead to the start of the troubles in NI, a full on trade war with Europe only they can win, and with huge shortages of essentials for the UK, and likely to lead to the whole Deal being cancelled altogether. You do not need to have a Degree or any formal qualifications to understand this would be a disaster for the UK.

Hello everyone. I’ve just been out to a walk in centre and got my booster jab.
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Goodness. I’m surprised at how this thread has taken such a turn.

Can we please calm down and discuss our views with each other more pleasantly again?
Even if we disagree?

Actually I truly wasn’t being disingenuous about my intellectual abilities. Although I attended a girl’s grammar school I was never a stellar pupil (I blame it on an end of August birthday so often almost a year behind some of my peers in class. Well that’s my excuse and I’m sticking to it!). I didn’t go to university nor have I held a professional job.

Unlike many on here.

I do know my limitations. But I do have an opinion. Often it runs in opposition to those on the N&P threads. But I enjoy the banter (mostly) or I wouldn’t join in.

I don’t do it to wind anyone up - although a little red meat occasionally must give the majority something to feast on! - otherwise it just becomes an echo chamber surely?

And, do you know what? Others probably do share my views.
I think!

Totally, I know this happens - it was reported to me in the past, and very unpleasant.

No need to justify anything, just see no reason for giving simple explanation.

Kali2

Alegrias1

I'm not sure which would be worse...

People thinking that triggering Article 16 would be a good thing to show them Frenchies just what we think of them and their bullying ways...

Or people who don't care but think its fun to makes jokes about yet another disaster that this government could be bringing down on our heads.

My pm was in response to this post above. Not to discuss others or preparing a 'pile on'.

I really wouldn't waste time trying to justify your entirely private exchange of PMs.

I recall a poster a few years back who inadvertently let slip that another poster had been deliberately winding other posters up and there was a little PM group having a snigger over it.

Problem is people judging others by their own, rather low, standards.

Alegrias1

I'm not sure which would be worse...

People thinking that triggering Article 16 would be a good thing to show them Frenchies just what we think of them and their bullying ways...

Or people who don't care but think its fun to makes jokes about yet another disaster that this government could be bringing down on our heads.

My pm was in response to this post above. Not to discuss others or preparing a 'pile on'.

Alegrias
do you think we’re stupid too
It did actually happen on GN. Some posters decided to gang up on another member but they mistakenly linked her into the PMs. Whoops ?

Alegrias made a comment which I thought was for me. I tried to ask her by pm- but she was unable to reply to me, for some reason. She explained the situation, and that was that. Nothing sinister, for sure.

Maudi

13:14Kali2

Alegrias1

Kali2 I tried to PM you but it won't go through. flowers

tried to pm you, and get message that you are unable to receive pms???

I rest my case ?

I was the butt of a pile on a couple of months ago and not by the GNers you refer but by others on here of a different Brexit/political persuasion.

dragonfly46

I have reported posts on this thread - I find it disgusting!

What for? Use of the word goady fu**er? Is that the best you can contribute to the discussion on the benefits, acccording to Urmostongran, of unleashing the storm that is Article 16?

Urmstongran

Am I really. Just so much dimmer than everyone else? Or do I just hold a different opinion that gets continually shot down?
I believe in Brexit.
It’s what I voted for.
In fact, there was no mention on the voting slip at the time of the referendum for a deal.
Thanks to Benn we couldn’t leave without one which seriously tied the hands of our negotiators!

Apologies but, in answer to your question - yes.

So do I - but not for the same reasons you do, I suspect.

See you all down the road.

I rarely report also btw!

I have reported posts on this thread - I find it disgusting!

What are we, five years old?