Are we about to trigger Article 16?

Alegrias1

We won't be United much longer dearie.

Hope springs eternal eh??
Although.....I think it may take longer than you wish to happen.

But remember, Article 16 not an exit mechanism.
It allows for suspension of certain protocols while talks continue.
In better faith.

Some are actually not 'about the economy' either, although it would be even more of a disaster to what we have currently, which is bad enough.

I don’t know Kali2.
But I have a feeling you’re dying to enlighten me.
??

We just have to accept that we need to make our own way in the world.

But. ... The EU has shown nothing but malice towards the UK ever since the people democratically decided to leave their club.

Time to look forward and not back. Our future is with the world outside the EU, which is bigger and growing faster.

That is not the answer either, sorry.

What would the REAL consequences be of triggering Art 16?

Kali2 it’s not always about the economy! Ask the Scots Nats!

Urmstongran

I agree with you there Alegrias.
Let’s buddy up with Switzerland!

So that is your serious answer to my question about consequences of triggering Art 16. And you expect me to take you seriously, really?

With all due respect to the Swiss, their scientific summit came when Einstein was in the patent office.

I agree with you there Alegrias.
Let’s buddy up with Switzerland!

We won't be United much longer dearie.

And finally.
Let’s stop pretending & move to fully restore our United Kingdom without further ado.

This morning the Express reported that Britain was considering "withdrawing funding" from the Horizon, Copernicus and Euratom programs if Article 16 is triggered. Suggesting of course, that the EU will be bereft as a result of the withdrawal of our precious funding.

Except it's not true.

If we trigger article 16 we're going to lose access to these invaluable programs, but the scientifically illiterate government say we can have our own versions. Except we can't. Science programs of this size cannot be funded by individual countries and good though our scientists are, everybody's else are good too. Science thrives by the pooling and sharing of knowledge, and this will cut us off from the rest of the world, possibly irrevocably.

Global Britain they say. Lying incompetents.

I certainly would argue that the above is not correct...

but this was definitely NOT the question. The question I asked was about the 'consequences' of triggering Art 16.

Thirdly.
Lord Frost is working well to a careful plan - and the EU know they have lost already. For them it is now about saving face and finding as many ways as possible to damage the UK.

Second.
invoking Article 16, a perfectly legal process open to both sides, is not the nuclear option ... but due to the intransigence of the EU it’s the only option open to us to safeguard the rights of the British Citizens of Northern Ireland.

And into the breach once more dear friends!

Firstly.
Article 16 is actually part of the treaty and is there for a reason.

My stepfather has only just been taken home after eating with us. I’m not ignoring you Kali2 I just have the pots to wash first!

Who said this? No-one, at all.

Have you forgotten to explain what the consequences of triggering Art 16 would be?

Many on here seem to believe that the fault is all on one side...that is seldom the case.

The ridiculous thing is that the vast majority of businesses and people in NI, are quite happy with the status quo, it is just the ideologues in Johnson’s government who are intent on buggering it up.

Surely you don't want us to think that you do not understand?

I have a feeling that Urmstongran will not reply to above.

So perhaps someone else could do, please.

Analysis published in The Independent shows that the total of trade deals done since Brexit amount to about 49p per person.

The question needs repeating I am afraid.

''Are you absolutely clear about the consequences that would have on the UK, in 1000s of ways?''

The EU will stick together and supply each other, with the full support of the USA. No Deal would affect them for sure - but it would just DESTROY the uk's businesses, agriculture, fisheries, and have extremely serious consequences for energy supply and prices, medicines, essential chemicals for water purification, and so much more. And of course cause massive problems with NI.

So apart from making you feel better about 'showing them what's what, so there ...' can you give any, any at all, advantages to triggering art 16 and ending up with No Deal.

Optics do count - re trust, credibility, honesty -

the EU and the whole world is watching the antics in the UK- and they have come to the conclusions that Johnson, Frost and the UK cannot be trusted, in any way, shape or form. Most of the UK thinks the same, including an increasing and significant number of Conservatives, in the House and in the whole country.