Headline in the Daily Mail (I know) suggest that finally Brexit may be over ...

Lilyflower

I haven’t seen much evidence of the Conservative shifting to the right. Authoritarian seizure of Covid powers and reluctance to cede them, tax hikes, Carbon Zero, wokery, failure to act decisively to deter extremist activism, havering about border controls and so on are all left wing.

Yes, I was thinking that too Lilyflower

I wonder if anyone in the real world truly thinks "Brexit is over".

The list of ever mounting shortages, price hikes, or disappearing workers and the infantile posturing of the unelected bureaucrat "Lord Frost" surely underlines the fact that we're still suffering from its initial impact.

They signed a deal, a contract, and now they've read it, they appear to have worked out that because they didn't have an implementation plan as a 3rd country trading with the EU it's all gone belly up - slowly!

Their approach seems to have been take back control of borders that they never lost, fly a flag, and do a deal with one of the most environmentally unconscious countries (Australia) on the planet. Truly the work of a spiv.

kittylester

And, ladyleftfieldlover, don't forget that the 1930s are almost 100 years ago!!

Lots of people read the Daily Mail so don't be so dismissive of your fellow human beings. Some of us read the Mail amongst lots of other things.

kittylester I don't think ladyleftfieldlover is being dismissive of her "fellow human beings" - just wanting people to be aware that the "Daily Mail" is a right wing paper, who supported fascism.

It's relevant more today than ever - as fascism, as George Orwell observed, creeps in with a happy, populist face, and pretends to be your friend. The present Government are hell bent on driving this country back to the age of deference - around the time of the Titanic disaster would suit them I think.

I didn’t approve MaizieD and would have been delighted to see those accused in that headline protest their innocence and take the newspaper to court and get reparations for the damage to their reputations...

You’ve rather missed the point. The DM invited them to sue but they didn’t because they were guilty. It was an excellent move by the DM who were instrumental in bringing them to justice. Pity they didn’t do the same for the murderers of Kriss Donald. Although thankfully they are serving life and I hope it is life too.

I'm confused by this thread, how can BREXIT be over? We have left the EC, so in the sense that it's done and dusted, BREXIT is over, but if you mean that we can just Waltz back into the EC I don't think so!

In my opinion, one of the saddest outcomes of the whole referendum has been a total lack of interest in the reasons WHY the leavers wanted to leave.

I haven’t seen much evidence of the Conservative shifting to the right. Authoritarian seizure of Covid powers and reluctance to cede them, tax hikes, Carbon Zero, wokery, failure to act decisively to deter extremist activism, havering about border controls and so on are all left wing.

Brexit won't be over for a very long time but getting rid of Lord Frost as our EU negotiator would be a start.

Or get on with dying of Covid or live with long Covid!

Hetty58

Growstuff, where people gather the 'news' is very relevant. So many have no idea what's really happening out there in the world - but (alarmingly) believe they do.

Allsorts, the Guardian is the most trusted by it's readers - according to Pew Research. I do like their findings on our UK press:

www.pewresearch.org/global/fact-sheet/news-media-and-political-attitudes-in-the-united-kingdom/

I know it's very relevant. I'm a news junkie and read from all sorts of sources. Omissions can be just as important as what some media actually report.

FannyCornforth There is a newspaper which is entertaining, well written and which I believe is neither left nor right leaning. It costs 65p per day (less if you pay for several months at a time) and it is The I. Have you read it?

Growstuff, where people gather the 'news' is very relevant. So many have no idea what's really happening out there in the world - but (alarmingly) believe they do.

Allsorts, the Guardian is the most trusted by it's readers - according to Pew Research. I do like their findings on our UK press:

www.pewresearch.org/global/fact-sheet/news-media-and-political-attitudes-in-the-united-kingdom/

I love the way they give the menu at the Carlton Club dinner, as if it's relevant!

I don't believe anything that the media says . I've stopped listening to the news ,deleted daily mail app stopped watching all these so called news shows like good morning Britain etc all biased in every way . No joy in the world anymore its very sad

I'm wondering what 'misinformation' Allsorts is talking about. Perhaps they could be more explicit?

Allsorts

Hetty, The misinformation on here beggars belief. I read DM and Telegraph. The DM is the most read bought newspaper in UK. It’s not for you but it is for a lot of people and their campaigns get things changed more than any other newspaper,

So what's that got to do with Brexit being over?

So, did you approve of their ‘Enemies of the People’ front page then?

Hetty, The misinformation on here beggars belief. I read DM and Telegraph. The DM is the most read bought newspaper in UK. It’s not for you but it is for a lot of people and their campaigns get things changed more than any other newspaper,

Exactly, totally, 100% same here.

I’m constantly being accused of not loving my country or not being proud of being British because I was/am anti brexit. But it’s because I do love my country and am proud to be British that breaks my heart to see the damage that Johnson has done to the reputation of the U.K.

''It is hard to decide on the worst feature of Johnson. Rational people can reach different conclusions in good faith. But his willingness to endanger the peace in Ireland strikes me as the most repellent. Louise Haigh, Labour’s Northern Ireland spokesperson, describes it as a cynically political act designed to please his supporters in England without a care for the consequences in Belfast. Nothing better illustrates the collapse of the Conservative party from a great political movement into a toadying personality cult than the failure of his colleagues to stop him.''

and it is working very well considering many of the posters' comment here on GN.

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/the-tories-big-idea-for-staying-in-power-endless-conflict-with-the-eu/ar-AAQoAzK?ocid=sf

as you say, Brexit and this phony war with France is what keeps him afloat so far...

Whitewavemark2

Back to the subject.

I don’t think that Johnson can afford to let Brexit go, because that is all that he has accomplished.

As long as he can keep the traction of spin, lies and fighting, he probably thinks he can keep the support of Brexiters.

He is probably right, but for how long?

For as long as there are still people who continue to think Brexit is a good idea. Rather too long for some of us I think. He has to keep alive the idea that the EU is our enemy.

Apologies to those trying to get the thread back on track.

FannyCornforth

This wasn’t so funny was it?

You know, I had doubts about my objection to this headline. I wondered if I hadn't noticed that it was published AFTER these men had been found guilty in a court of law. But now I've reread it, it plainly wasn't.

My point still stands.

Back to the subject.

I don’t think that Johnson can afford to let Brexit go, because that is all that he has accomplished.

As long as he can keep the traction of spin, lies and fighting, he probably thinks he can keep the support of Brexiters.

He is probably right, but for how long?