Brexit is dead, it is no more, it has ceased to be - because it has happened. We have withdrawn from the European Union

You are making up ridiculous things kali .....friends of Corbyn are all the extreme left wing of the LP such as Momentum supporters. They may well rather like things that come out of Russia.
Don’t forget that Corbyn and friends were no supporters of the EU..... for different reasons to most people.

lemongrove

I think it’s the friends of Corbyn that may side with Putin btw.

How am I making things up? THIS is what you wrote, above.

Which is utter 100% bollocks nonsense!

Will leave you to it kali.....

As the OP states, we have left the EU. lemongrove Fri 12-Nov-21 16:23:41

I did, didn't I? But that didn't stop you from raising the old arguments to attack personally, those whose opinions don't agree with yours. Nothing changes, does it? Let's think of the future again, and this time look at the Conservative Party. For decades it was said that the Conservative Party was divided by Brexit. The answer, part of the party said, was to "just get out". Well, that has worked, hasn't it?

However, they seem to have moved to a different area of division. It seems there is a split between the young and the old Tory MPs. I am not referring specifically to age, more how long they have been in Parliament.

It has been noticeable that, true to form, the need to earn more than an MP's salary is rife in the Tories. Once again, it has tipped into sleaze. Mark Fletcher, one of the new Red Wall members, stood up in Parliament and said that he had no problem voting against the whip. He also pointed out that some of the older Tory members consider the 2019 intake inexperienced and naive. That comment came out of what seems to be a split between the two groups. The new members were in a bit of a daze when they first won their seats. Let's face it, they probably weren't expecting to be in Parliament. Fletcher then commented that two years is enough time to learn the difference between right and wrong.

This may be what divides the two halves for some time while sleaze and the investigation of it take hold. Many of the more experienced MPs are the ones deep in the poo re sleaze or besties with someone else who is. The younger, newer element will not be happy with the effect constant media concentration on sleaze has on their chances of keeping very difficult seats at the next election.

I think we may be living in interesting times.

To be fair to Mr Corbyn and the Labour party members who support him, I do not think they have any sympathy or support for Russia anymore. Putin is yesterday's man and that is why he is behaving as he is.

No, Mr Corbyn's socialist model is Venezuela and its president Nocolo Maduro. He has expressed his admiration for the country and its leaders.

Corbyn is yesterday's man.

Putin is still here and not to be underestimated.

He may preside over a basket economy but he is arguably one of the most successful politicians in the world.

Without Putin the USA would never have had Trump and the UK would never have had Brexit.

M0nica

To be fair to Mr Corbyn and the Labour party members who support him, I do not think they have any sympathy or support for Russia anymore. Putin is yesterday's man and that is why he is behaving as he is.

No, Mr Corbyn's socialist model is Venezuela and its president Nocolo Maduro. He has expressed his admiration for the country and its leaders.

I think you're wasting your time writing that, MOnica because there are no died in the wool, never going to change, Corbyn supporters on this thread. All the snidey digs are going to waste.
Lemon is equally wasting her time bringing Corbyn into the thread, for the same reason...

Agreed Varian- my point is that Putin is NO Marxist!

.....but, weren’t you a dyed in the wool ( not died in the wool)
Supporter of Mr Corbyn at one time MaizieD and you are on this thread after all.
Not sure about Venezuela now Monica ....I think all the far left admiration for it may be fizzling out fast these days.
I think there will always be splits between young and old MP’s
Pippa on both sides of the house.The young are always impatient with their elders and think they can do things better. Until they can’t.

BUT PUTIN IS NOT A MARXIST!!!

You do keep shouting kali .....where exactly have you read on here that Putin is a Marxist?
Is there a problem with something getting lost in translation...
I said upthread that Corbyn is a Marxist.
Now, who could confuse the bearded one with Putin? Has Putin started working on an allotment?

I have not shouted for a very very long time- and I have explained at least twice, perhaps even 3- that saying that Corbyn followers would be attracted to Putin Russia is absolute nonsense.

If it got lost somewhere, it certainly was not lost in translation!

I don't remember seeing it at this level Lemongrove. Andrew Bowie has resigned as a vice-chairman of the Conservative Party to "focus on his constituency", too. Although I don't think he can show too much outrage as he voted as per the whip and is said to be a man with places to go. He won't want to upset the old guard too much.

The fact that GN members are not Corbynistas, how quickly so many turned coats, doesn't mean that none exist in the world outside GN - there is a world outside GN.

I am not being snide, just drawing attention to what Mr Corbyn has said that makes clear where his heart lay and making clear the point Kalimade - that the British Labour party and Russia have parted company.

Unfortunately Brexit is still a big issue in N.ireland. Boris Johnson and Lord Frost agreed to The Protocol and are now unhappy about it. Only one political party in N.ireland supported Brexit and now they are most vociferous in complaining about checks of goods. There are difficulties getting some goods in from GB and it has caused political instability. Those of us either born in the island of Ireland or with grandparents born before partition can at least get Irish passports so will make European travel easier. I've always had a British passport but now have an Irish one too, as have our children. Even our grandchildren can get one which would help in future if want to study in a European university.

What I am at present unclear on is that in threatening to invoke article 16, which part of the protocol is not working?

Which bit is “ causing serious economic, societal or environmental difficulties” as it seems to me that apart from the DUP the NI population is not unhappy with the protocol.

NI businesses are now seeing the benefits of the protocol. It is the DUP and the hardliners seeking ideological purity not practical benefits who want to mess it up even more.

vegansrock

NI businesses are now seeing the benefits of the protocol. It is the DUP and the hardliners seeking ideological purity not practical benefits who want to mess it up even more.

That’s what seems to be happening. NI business have no problems with the protocol, it is the ideologues.

The fact that GN members are not Corbynistas, how quickly so many turned coats, doesn't mean that none exist in the world outside GN - there is a world outside GN.

Just can't resist the snide, despite your protestations, can you MOnica? 'Turncoats'?

I suspect that a Brexit crises is just what Johnson is manoeuvring in order to try to divert attention away from Tory corruption and his drop in the polls.

It won’t be long now as things are not going his way.

^but, weren’t you a dyed in the wool ( not died in the wool)
Supporter of Mr Corbyn at one time MaizieD and you are on this thread after all.^

No, I wasn't a dyed in the wool Corbyn supporter. I thought he was worth listening to and supporting and I had no problems with either of the LP election manifestos. I thought (and still do) that he was a good man who was unfairly demonised (a bit like the EU really).

However, I'm more interested in getting rid of this corrupt and democracy destroying government that I am in imposing socialist purity on the LP.

And I'm sure that, as a long time poster, you don't need reminding that according to Gnet convention it is rude to comment on spelling errors..

MaizieD I didn’t think it was a spelling error, as I have seen this phrase
Many times on the forum and assumed a lot of people thought this was correct (died in the wool.) Thought you may like to know that the word is actually dyed.Coming from a former wool mill town it’s obvious to me, but probably not so to a lot of people.

In which case, there are ways ... and ways!

I can only think of one person on GN who is a full Corbyn supporter. Many of us voted for him as he was much better than the alternative, despite not being our 'ideal' candidate. I am desperately sorry that the Labour is so badly divided now, and have made the case, again and again, for the absolute necessity for Labour to find ways of coming together in preparation for early elections.

And to forge clever alliances with others. It is not more important than ever, as the corruption, lies, fraud and utter dishonesty and shambles of this Government are becoming clearer by the day.

It is absolutely clear from current polls that clever alliances would defeat Tories easily in the current climate.

In the meantime- it seems some have forgotten about this polite request, a copy of many others ...

''*Please, please tell us about this success. We have been asking you and others for months- but you have never ever replied. Please give us a list of the good things Brexit has done for the people of the UK so far. Please. We have been waiting so so long.*

somehow, this never gets answered.

It doesn’t get answered because at the same time we have been in a terrible pandemic as you well know. Even in normal times it would be much too early to start listing economic benefits.
We are a sovereign nation who will make our own decisions about everything with no pandering to Brussels.
It’s over kali our dalliance with the EU bloc, time to start looking ahead.
And do remember, a week in politics is a very long time.Where the government is ( in polling terms) is very much what you would expect by now anyway.
Where it will be in a couple of years time is anybody’s guess, but after all these many years of Conservatives in power it would be a surprise if they won another GE.But that’s the excitement of politics, yer never know!?