Brexit is dead, it is no more, it has ceased to be - because it has happened. We have withdrawn from the European Union

Most of us on here have lived long lives and can remember far worse periods than this ( rising prices.)

Indeed we can, but it hasn't made all of us indifferent to the prospect of even more people living in food poverty than already do.

I too remember the Winter of Discontent very well. I was working. It was a depressing time.

M0nica

*PippaZ*, Maizie, the usual ploy, ignore anything I said that. that spoils your argumenrt.

If you read my most recent post I specifically said: The claim made suggested that the country as a whole would be starving. Scenes like Afghanistan.

I do not diminish the problems of those on limited incomes in these inflationary times. The Trussell Trust and other food banks have beenn highlighting the problem for several years now, but people in this country starving, I am sorry that is ridiculous.

I should have put quotes around 'people in this country' starving'.

There are already people in this country starving, but the whole nation starvin? No that is alarmist. Perhaps more precision in your posts?

And did you read my posts M0nica? This most recent pile-on of those who only want to talk about Brexit suggests most, if not all of them, did not. So let's talk about the people who have put us in this position.

In my opinion, the ex-leave voters, not just on here but all those who still cannot see what they have done, are a malign body when it comes to our country.

It seems to me they would rather support an authoritarian, albeit one with a funny haircut, than the democracy of our country. Those who only look to have an opinion - any opinion - would rather belittle our allies, the people our parents, our brothers and sisters fought to save from an authoritarians. than befriend them. They would rather throw verbal stones at these people who may, the next time around, be asked to fight for us against the authoritarianism in our country. It occured to me this morning that they might well rather side with Putin, who is making life very difficult for the EU, than see that EU in a good light.

And the reason I didn't use the word "some"? Because it may not be "some". Rather than tell the man with the funny haircut to make alliances and let us move to the future, they are happy to see the constant childish battles. And they will carry on this attitude, as I have said previously. They will carry it on until they have to walk through the debris of what they have created.

I wanted us to look to the future and how we get back to some semblance of a democratic country. You simply want to carry on old arguments. This wonderful country will never be perfect, no country is, but a the moment I so often feel shamed by what we have become; what we have allowed on our watch.

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Oh dear.....what a lot of nonsense Pippa

I think it’s the friends of Corbyn that may side with Putin btw.

lemongrove

The doom laden predictions continue apace on the forum
Monica but fortunately only by the few ( even if there are many posts.)
‘Struggling to put food on the table’ seems to be a buzz phrase now, along with ‘hardworking families’ ......as if lack of cash is something new.
Rising gas prices along with economies shattered by Covid in every country will make food prices rise, but the UK will not starve.
Most of us on here have lived long lives and can remember far worse periods than this ( rising prices.)

One reason that the UK as a whole won't starve is because Johnson has not put tariffs on food imports to try to ensure that there is sufficient food and not higher prices.

growstuff

Strangely, I don't even remember being affected by the Winter of Discontent. I was a student at the time, so maybe I was used to "making do". As I wasn't affected, does that mean it didn't happen and I was an "I'm alright Jill"?

It was the 3 day week introduced by Heath that resulted in power cuts. I was working at an antiquarian book seller at that time and remember working by candlelight when the power was cut off. 4 hours on and 4 hours off but I could be wrong about the period length. I also remember we used to buy whisky to drink with our coffee to keep us warm.

People often confuse the 3 day week with the winter of discontent., thinking that the LP was responsible for both. They were in power just for the latter.

lemongrove

I think it’s the friends of Corbyn that may side with Putin btw.

B******s. Have you ever read anybody on here siding with Putin?

PippaZ I don't always agree with what you say, but I can see that you say it with conviction and that you don't deserve to be ridiculed because of it.

No doubt someone will come along and say it wasn't ridicule, it was "opinion", but please be aware that people with a passion for something will always be heard over those who think its all a big joke or a waste of time.

Keep going ?

Dinahmo

lemongrove

I think it’s the friends of Corbyn that may side with Putin btw.

B******s. Have you ever read anybody on here siding with Putin?

I think that lemon is so far enamoured of the past that she hasn't managed to let go of the notion that the LP is run by the Soviet Union...

Certainly not noticed that it is Russians who give big donations to the tory party and who had a big hand in the vote to leave the EU.

Dinahmo

lemongrove

The doom laden predictions continue apace on the forum
Monica but fortunately only by the few ( even if there are many posts.)
‘Struggling to put food on the table’ seems to be a buzz phrase now, along with ‘hardworking families’ ......as if lack of cash is something new.
Rising gas prices along with economies shattered by Covid in every country will make food prices rise, but the UK will not starve.
Most of us on here have lived long lives and can remember far worse periods than this ( rising prices.)

One reason that the UK as a whole won't starve is because Johnson has not put tariffs on food imports to try to ensure that there is sufficient food and not higher prices.

Exactly Dinahmo. But if you obviously didn't read what the poor fisherman had to say. Although he wishes he had not voted to leave he wants tariffs. He thinks the EU and the UK are two equals trade bodies playing tit for tat. He doesn't realise what tariffs would do to the cost of our food.

PippaZ I have read what the fisherman said but I am not 100% sympathetic since he and many of his colleagues did vote for Brexit.

I didn't think everyone would be. That wasn't my point. Am I sympathetic ?. I am sorry the fisherman was misled and happy he has seen that he was. What worries me is he still doesn't bother to find out the implications of what he suggests.

lemongrove

I think it’s the friends of Corbyn that may side with Putin btw.

No I think it is the friends of Donald Trump,friends of Marine le Pen and most of all friends of brexit who have been manipulated by Putin.

Russia is no longer the USSR and Putin is not a left wing politician. He is a right wing autocrat.

Dinahmo

lemongrove

I think it’s the friends of Corbyn that may side with Putin btw.

B******s. Have you ever read anybody on here siding with Putin?

Interesting.
Does the cap fit? I didn’t mention ‘anyone on here’.

varian

lemongrove

I think it’s the friends of Corbyn that may side with Putin btw.

No I think it is the friends of Donald Trump,friends of Marine le Pen and most of all friends of brexit who have been manipulated by Putin.

Russia is no longer the USSR and Putin is not a left wing politician. He is a right wing autocrat.

Yes, he is! Somebody should tell MaizieD that.
Very far from the LP today although Corbyn and likeminded friends have always been reluctant to diss either him or anything about Russia.Remember the Salisbury poisonings?

I didn’t know Corbyn was responsible for that …

lemongrove

I think it’s the friends of Corbyn that may side with Putin btw.

This comment a vast amount of total ignorance or current Russia- and is beyond incomprehensible!

Yes, he is! Somebody should tell MaizieD that.

Just trying to make you feel comfortable with your evident wish to live in the mid 20th C, lemon.

vegansrock

I didn’t know Corbyn was responsible for that …

He was the only one in Parliament making excuses for Russia and stood out like a sore thumb at the time.He’s an old Marxist and habits die hard.

MaizieD ....and here’s me thinking that it’s you who would like to return to the 1940’s/50’s and the Labour Party as it was then.

PippaZ

I didn't think everyone would be. That wasn't my point. Am I sympathetic ?. I am sorry the fisherman was misled and happy he has seen that he was. What worries me is he still doesn't bother to find out the implications of what he suggests.

Nobody was ‘mislead’ and if they were too stupid to do any thinking for themselves then I don’t have any sympathy for them either.People had to decide on which way they would vote and then go for it.MP’s on both sides over inflated their claims as MP’s always do.
There were people who voted to leave and people who voted to stay in the EU who didn’t think much at all.There were others on both sides who thought about it a lot.There were people who voted each way from all political parties.
This constant demonising of those who voted to leave is not only idiotic but pointless.As the OP states, we have left the EU.

But current Russia is NOT Marxist!!!

Talking about differences of opinions earlier on, and tolerance.

But when you come up with absolute nonsense like that - what on earth is one supposed to do.

If you say the earth is flat, that is not really a matter of 'opinion' we can discuss. It is just - utter nonsense! Sorry, but ...

Nobody was ‘mislead’ and if they were too stupid to do any thinking for themselves then I don’t have any sympathy for them either.

“This deal falls very far short of the commitments and promises that were made to the fishing industry by those at the highest level of government."

thefishingdaily.com/latest-news/brexit-deal-falls-far-short-of-commitments-and-promises-to-scottish-fishing/

Kali2

But current Russia is NOT Marxist!!!

Talking about differences of opinions earlier on, and tolerance.

But when you come up with absolute nonsense like that - what on earth is one supposed to do.

If you say the earth is flat, that is not really a matter of 'opinion' we can discuss. It is just - utter nonsense! Sorry, but ...

Who says that Russia is Marxist?
I said that Corbyn is an old Marxist.

Oh stop it- you said friends of Corbyn may side with Putin!