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BBC quits Stonewall Diversity Scheme

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Mollygo Thu 11-Nov-21 10:11:26

Some good news at last.

Rosie51 Thu 11-Nov-21 10:10:39

Sorry Doodledog I hadn't seen this thread when I 'informed' you about the Stephen Nolan podcasts. I should have guessed you'd have found them already blush I am so pleased the BBC have withdrawn from Stonewall's stranglehold, and can only hope other organisations will take courage too. There seems to be a collective sigh of relief that debate and discussion may now be on the agenda instead of outright bullying.

Baggs Thu 11-Nov-21 10:08:44

A "no debate" stance is always wrong so I'm glad there is now some fight back against Stonewall dictatorial intolerance.

Doodledog Thu 11-Nov-21 10:02:17

It's interesting that there seem to be few voices speaking against the trend for pulling back from Stonewall, isn't it? Like you, I have heard people expressing relief that they now feel able to speak up, and suspect that there will be an outpouring, now that the dam has been breached. Other than Stomewall's own statement, however, there doesn't seem to be much coming the other way.

grannydarkhair Thu 11-Nov-21 03:10:15

Doodledog it’s excellent news. As I’ve said in another post, several government departments and health authorities have also withdrawn.
However, I’m in Scotland and all the political parties bar the Conservatives are pro-trans, etc. I really wish that some large companies up here would follow the BBC, etc.
Btw, the Nolan podcasts are excellent, as was the BBC article about lesbians being coerced into having sex with trans women. Nolan has since said that they have been thanked by a lot of BBC employees, all of whom were too scared to speak up before.

Doodledog Wed 10-Nov-21 23:15:11

Nannytopsy

Thank goodness some common sense is appearing.

I think it will encourage other organisations to join the exodus, as the threat of being vilified as 'transphobic' simply for disagreeing with Stonewall will diminish with each resignation. The tide seems to be turning at last.

Nannytopsy Wed 10-Nov-21 22:44:04

Thank goodness some common sense is appearing.

Doodledog Wed 10-Nov-21 22:41:15

If you want to hear the (rather convoluted) full story, there should be a series of podcasts on this link, if it's worked.

Kalu Wed 10-Nov-21 22:24:30

Good riddance!

Iam64 Wed 10-Nov-21 21:51:07

Good news

MerylStreep Wed 10-Nov-21 21:30:19

is to whine that everyone hates them
Well they’ve made a pretty good fist of that. ?

M0nica Wed 10-Nov-21 20:43:45

Stonewall is a good organisation infiltrated and taken over by extremists, whose only argument to any attempt at reasonable discussion is to whine that everyone hates them.

Smileless2012 Wed 10-Nov-21 20:20:54

I agree it's great news and the BBC's decision may give courage to others to take the same action.

As you've posted Doodledog, Stonewall did so much good in the 80's but appear to have lost their way. This decision by the BBC is a good thing and Stonewall's reach seems to be exceeding their grasp.

Gwyneth Wed 10-Nov-21 20:15:45

A bit of common sense from the BBC at last!

SueDonim Wed 10-Nov-21 20:11:15

I’m very pleased to see this. People are now refusing to drink the Kool Aid.

GrannyMacawell Wed 10-Nov-21 19:30:00

This is great news!

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 10-Nov-21 17:40:01

Yes to both questions. Excellent news Doodledog and about time. Perhaps the BBC’s stance will cause other companies and institutions to pull out too.
Thanks for highlighting this.

Blossoming Wed 10-Nov-21 17:36:40

Yes, I think it’s a good move. ‘Their ‘No Debate’ stance doesn’t do anybody any favours.

Doodledog Wed 10-Nov-21 17:04:53

The BBC has left the Stonewall Diversity Scheme, as membership has been preventing them from being impartial.

As many of us have been saying for a while now, Stonewall's No Debate policy has led to large organisations fighting shy of standing up to them, but now the BBC has opted out of the dictatorship.

For those who aren't aware of the issues, Stonewall was formed to fight for gay and lesbian rights in the 80s, when Section 28 made it illegal for schools or local authorities to 'promote' homosexuality, and when AIDS was causing fear and discrimination against gay people. Stonewall did a lot of good, but now that there is less discrimination against gay people, they have found themselves a victim of their own success, and have been pushing the trans agenda. Their Diversity award is coveted by many universities and local authorities (amongst other large employers) and this, coupled with a lack of understanding of the issues and how they impact on others (particularly women) has led to speakers who disagree with their one-sided perspective being 'cancelled' or 'no platformed', so young people are not able to even hear a gender-critical point of view. It has also led to the imposition of initiatives such as compelling staff to declare preferred pronouns on their email signatures, on pain of having the award withdrawn and being accused of transphobia. The act of declaring pronouns indicates buying into the idea that gender-identification is optional and that gender and sex are the same thing, which is a viewpoint that is in no way shared by everyone.

Anyway, there has been a shift away from their stranglehold, and the latest company to do so is the BBC. UCL and the University of Winchester have already pulled out, and both OFCOM and the Equality and Human Rights Commission did so some time ago, on the grounds that the refusal to listen to other points of view than the Transwomen Are Women stance (the only one allowed by Stonewal)l is not conducive to impartiality.

Do people think that this movement towards common sense is a good thing, and that Stonewall's over-reaching has brought about its own demise?