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Is English cricket, not just Yorkshire cricket, institutionally racist?

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varian Tue 16-Nov-21 17:32:36

Azeem Rafiq: English cricket is 'institutionally' racist says former Yorkshire player

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/59304381

Sarnia Mon 22-Nov-21 12:03:50

From what has been mentioned 25Avalon he made a remark about Jews concerning money and food. Rafiq is certainly getting some flack for it this morning.

maddyone Mon 22-Nov-21 12:10:59

In my opinion he deserves some flack over it.

Peasblossom Mon 22-Nov-21 12:45:02

25Avalon

Possibly a whole can of worms but historically haven’t Muslims and Jews often been opposed, so in a religious context Rafiq may have unconscious bias towards Jews? This is religious rather than racist or is it? Idk where I’m going with this. I’ll put it out for discussion.

A person is Jewish by birth Avalon, not by belief. You cannot cease to be Jew by ceasing to believe in the same way that you can chose not to a Christian or a Muslim.

Azeri Rafiq’s own heritage is irrelevant. A racist remark is a racist remark no matter who says it or what their background is.

More importantly words are just indicators of the attitudes within.

Peasblossom Mon 22-Nov-21 12:46:06

Azeem, I did type it properly honestly. Should have read it all through.

M0nica Mon 22-Nov-21 13:41:49

Historically Jews, Muslims and Christians lived alongside each other in peace and amity through out the middle east. It was Europe and, especially Eastern Europe, who demonized an persecuted the Jews and blamed them, as a people for the death of Jesus Christ.

War and hostility between these three great religions in the middle east, broadly, dates back only about 100 years.

Alegrias1 Mon 22-Nov-21 13:47:35

I just finished a book about Isabella of Castille. It would seem that the Convivencia in medieval Spain was a model of how the three main Abrahamic religions could co-exist.

TerriBull Mon 22-Nov-21 14:51:11

I visited Cordoba a couple of years ago and that city was a perfect example, pre Inquisition, of just how well the three religions co-existed together drawing on each other's learnings and expertise. Many Muslim artisans worked on the design of the Seville cathedral bell tower for example, the inspiration of which was drawn from the Moorish minaret. It was a golden age for philosophy, theology mathematics, medicine, physics etc., until all that was lost once the Inquisition kicked in and Spain regressed, destroying much Arabic learning deemed as heresy. Eventually expelling all their Muslim and Jewish citizens. There is the remains of a pre Inquisition synagogue in Cordoba which interestingly looks quite Arabic and The Mezquita Mosque is simply stunning.

Alegrias1 Mon 22-Nov-21 14:56:22

Oh, I love Cordoba! The Mezquita, the Juderia, and that bridge..!

TerriBull Mon 22-Nov-21 15:12:51

...........and the scent of orange blossom wafting in the air! an amazing city.

maddyone Mon 22-Nov-21 18:15:54

I loved Cordoba too. We stayed in a hotel just opposite The Mezquita, and went very early in the morning to explore inside. Simply stunning. We then went back to the hotel for breakfast.