UK ‘dangerously close to elected dictatorship’ under Boris Johnson, Ken Clarke warns

Thank you Urmstongran, you've put it so much better than I could and I love the Christmas cracker joke!????

It’s never too early for the Christmas cracker jokes! Some Christmas trees are already up!
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JaneJudge

Yes, I think we are.

Undoubtedly, flump. It seems to me we have a perfect storm of people who are only in it for themselves and don't have the intellectual power, or the desire, to know what they should be doing.

I haven't seen Dispatches but I think I'll go and look for it.

Urmstongran

A little lighthearted humour for a Friday teatime:

There is a saying which totally sums up the French. It goes like this:

The British invent it
The Americans finance it
The Germans build it
The Japanese copy it

And the French resent it.

It's a bit early for pathetic xenophobic Christmas cracker jokes.

C’mon glum buckets. Cheer up. The UK is doing well.

No thanks! Being a myopic and lightweight twister of the truth isn't my cup of tea!

A little lighthearted humour for a Friday teatime:

There is a saying which totally sums up the French. It goes like this:

The British invent it
The Americans finance it
The Germans build it
The Japanese copy it

And the French resent it.

And fresh bluster from over the Channel today!

There is no question of 'nerves' President Macron - it’s just about those French vessels that are eligible to fish in UK waters and those who are not.

A disregard for very clear rules might be normal in France but in British waters the rule of law applies.

Kali2 ‼️
You disappoint me. You asked for positives. I give you some and then you say you can’t be (polite version) bothered!

On another note, it was not a populist eurosceptic from Britain or France who first compared the EU to the USSR, it was Mikhail Gorbachev.

He said he couldn't understand why having seen the USSR collapse, western Europeans wanted to build a Mark II version of it through the European Union! ?

Glum buckets hey! But thanks, for confirming my theory.

And I shall at least be 100% honest- and say it straight- I just can't be a--r--sked at this stage!

It’s definitely good news that Shell and Unilever have relocated to U.K. post Brexit.

Not sure if we will see the benefits/losses of Brexit until the pandemic is over.

Sovereignty ladies. ?
Similar now to what Barnier says he would like for France! Cherry picking, no?

Seriously, good things post Brexit.
A nimble response to Covid vaccinations - how admiring we all were after being so scared and Boris tasked Kate Bingham to come up with the methodology.
Unilever anyone?
Shell too?
The City of London STILL the financial bestest in Europe.
More jobs available than ever before!
Workers here are now better valued - the hospitality industry is crying out for them. Loads of ‘Staff Wanted’ stickers in the bars and restaurants in my town for starters. I’m sure Urmston isn’t the only spot either!
Anything else Post Brexit?
Well sterling didn’t crash (as per Project Fear) in fact it’s quite healthy! €1.18 against the pound so not shabby at all.

C’mon glum buckets. Cheer up. The UK is doing well.

Yes, I think we are.

Did anyone see Channel 4's Dispatches programme this week. Also, and there will be varied opinions on this, of course, but are we living in a kakistocracy?

The Nationality and Borders bill will enable the government to talk away British citizenship without notice or right to appeal.

lemongrove

I think you would be happier if you accepted the inevitable Kali ( as in we have left the EU and there will be no going back.)
Move on, in other words, and enjoy life.
The pandemic has shown us how precious life is, and although you appear to be rather younger than many on GN, nobody live forever, so we need to appreciate what we have.
Life is too short to re-enact referendums, fume about the way people vote and live in disappointment.Truly.

This is so extremely rude and condescending.

I have politely and repeatedly asked, for a list of positive effects of the Referendum. You refuse to do so, and I have above put the two reasons I believe you will not. And just like Johnson in HoC- you don't reply, but go on scathing attacks...

I don't boast about my life here- but I can attest that I have a wonderful and very happy life, a very privileged one for so many reasons. And I do appreciate what I have- and how lucky I am. Just come back from a wonderful walk in the meadows and woods with friends and dogs- Alps shining in the distance. 6km- with dappled sunshine. So no, you won't succeed on this one!

All I am asking for is for a list, short or long- on those positive Brexit factors. But I also know that you won't- because you can't. And we all know that.

All of the people behind brexit are slowly being discredited, first and foremost Boris Johnson.

lemongrove

I think you would be happier if you accepted the inevitable Kali ( as in we have left the EU and there will be no going back.)
Move on, in other words, and enjoy life.
The pandemic has shown us how precious life is, and although you appear to be rather younger than many on GN, nobody live forever, so we need to appreciate what we have.
Life is too short to re-enact referendums, fume about the way people vote and live in disappointment.Truly.

What a strawman argument!

Thinking Brexit was a really bad idea and that the country is suffering as a result doesn't mean that people want to re-enact referendums, fume or live in disappointment.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion and, unless it's illegal, to express it. If you don't like that, maybe it's you who should be moving on.

Some people don't live their lives surrounded by trivia, shallowness or snarky comments.

Once again the leave voters son't seem to understand what is being asked of them. They're not being asked their reasons for voting leave. They are being asked to tell us how we have benefitted from leaving the EU. There is a difference.

lemongrove

I think you would be happier if you accepted the inevitable Kali ( as in we have left the EU and there will be no going back.)
Move on, in other words, and enjoy life.
The pandemic has shown us how precious life is, and although you appear to be rather younger than many on GN, nobody live forever, so we need to appreciate what we have.
Life is too short to re-enact referendums, fume about the way people vote and live in disappointment.Truly.

Just because we’re angry doesn’t necessarily mean we’re unhappy. And didn’t the anti EU lot (Rees Mogg, Farage, Cash etc) spend many years trying to get us out of Europe? I don’t remember you saying how they were wasting their lives by doing so.

And I mean that with complete sincerity.

I think you would be happier if you accepted the inevitable Kali ( as in we have left the EU and there will be no going back.)
Move on, in other words, and enjoy life.
The pandemic has shown us how precious life is, and although you appear to be rather younger than many on GN, nobody live forever, so we need to appreciate what we have.
Life is too short to re-enact referendums, fume about the way people vote and live in disappointment.Truly.

You're entitled to your opinions as I am to mine, we'll never agree so will leave it at that. Incidentally the EU army in some shape or form, denied at the time I agree, does now seem a distinct possibility. I like others did give my reasons for my vote on here at the time, and yes it was roundly ridiculed and you're right Smiless 2012, I don't want a repeat performance and won't be goaded into giving it.

Yes, I understand that they find it annoying (bullying is hardly the word though). But if you only 'believe' that something as damaging for the country, or someone, or the combination!!! - and cannot possibly give any simple, sensible, tangible argument for this- then surely it is time to question said 'beliefs'. I mean, religion is one thing- but this is different.

So why would people not come up with a list, as requested so so many times? Well one reason is that they do not want to respond to a request, even a polite one. I get this- I mean, none of us like to be 'told' - understood.

But behind this reluctance, we all know the reason why. There are NONE, or at least NONE that would stand up to any scrutiny or fact whatsover.

Just to mention that there has always been Brexit folk knocking around. Not just in the referendum

Was it Bill Cash who was constantly on about leaving the EU? Many people were keen to leave. My father had never wanted to join in the first place so would have been classed as a Brexiteer had he been around for the vote.

We also had the Referendum Party in the 90s

I voted to remain before anyone leaps on me but it is wrong to suggest that those who voted to leave were doing so purely and simply on what was said 5 or 6 years ago.

Whenever it was.

Kali there were plenty of GN's who gave their reasons for voting to leave the EU following the result of the referendum, and the responses received at the time from many were far from polite.

No wonder the exercise hasn't been repeated.

I agree Jabberwork this thread like so many on this forum is tedious and apart from this post, I can't be bothered with it either and judging by the same small number who do post and create these threads, we're not the only ones.