terrorism

eazybee

When I wrote upthread about how anyone could want to plant a bomb anywhere I was thinking as well about the IRA murderers who planted bombs, watched until their targets, live people, were in place, then calmly detonated the device from a safe distance, and lived to receive a comfort letter to ensure their immunity from prosecution.

It's true that IRA bombers were supposed Christians but their cause was the issue and just like we see today they were prepared to kill innocent people to achieve their aims. Their cause completely wiped out any Christian values. This applies to anyone who kills in the name of religion because no religion supports murdering innocent people. They use religion as a reason and a cloak for their evil actions.

Does a Christian hold hatred in his / her heart ?

I don't think it was anything to do with this man's religion; that's a red herring. He had mental health problems when he lived in Jordan, long before he came to the UK and he'd received treatment at various hospitals for that. I think that his poor mental health, coupled with his failed applications for asylum, were what tipped him over the edge. As to whether he'd have carried out his terrorist attack if he had been granted asylum; we'll never know.

Calistemon you know very well that I am not insinuating that. I would have thought it was beneath a poster like you to suggest it. We may disagree on many things but you are generally fair and to suggest this is not like you at all.

Please read again what I said, No, in some people's world view only Muslims do that. I find what you have said very disappointing.

Alegrias1

^Christians don't usually bomb maternity hospitals and try to kill innocent people.^

No, in some people's world view only Muslims do that. Getting close to the edge Chestnut.

I posted but it has not appeared. Try again.

True Muslims do not do that, either, Alegrias. How dare you insinuate that they do.

As usual, taunting other posters and close to the edge, Alegrias.

I knew that would happen.

Sorry, but I did.

Alegrias1

You said this person was not a real Christian.

Can you see into his heart?

His actions prove that he was not a Christian.

When I wrote upthread about how anyone could want to plant a bomb anywhere I was thinking as well about the IRA murderers who planted bombs, watched until their targets, live people, were in place, then calmly detonated the device from a safe distance, and lived to receive a comfort letter to ensure their immunity from prosecution.

Mr Hitchcott, a former lay minister at Liverpool Cathedral, previously expressed concern about asylum seekers pretending to convert to bolster their visa applications.

But he believes Almeni was genuine and would 'talk endlessly and passionately about Jesus'.

There is no reason to suggest that Al Swealmeen's conversion from Islam was not genuine, and sources stressed his baptism was not a factor in his repeated asylum claims.

Even the Daily Mail thinks so.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10210171/Pastor-raised-concern-asylum-seekers-posing-Christians-boost-chances-staying-UK.html

Alegrias1

^Christians don't usually bomb maternity hospitals and try to kill innocent people.^

No, in some people's world view only Muslims do that. Getting close to the edge Chestnut.

What edge? If you have evidence to the contrary please share and back up this nonsense.

Chewbacca

The majority of those plotting terrorist atrocities are British born or raised and not asylum seekers.

British born they may be and although I do not know the statistics I feel sure the vast majority of them are decent people. I certainly worked with some lovely colleagues during my time in the NHS. In a way, being British born makes it worse. Why attack your own country? Whether we like it or not there are those living in the UK who will do us harm. If they are so opposed to our way of life why stay here?

We’re on the outskirts of the city and I must admit I’ve felt quite anxious since the attack. Fairly frequent daily updates on the local news reports, but a bit difficult to know what’s fact and what’s conjecture. Apparently he was a failed asylum seeker, and seemingly only converted to Christianity to further his application. Reports coming in now say there’s evidence that he’s been planning the attack since April, but the motive is still unclear - another couple of addresses searched in the last two days but nothing specific about what, if anything, was found. He was known to the police for ‘knife related offences’, but again, nothing really specific about the circumstances.

The remembrance service in Liverpool was moved from the city centre Cenotaph to the Anglican cathedral because of road works and it’s thought that this was the target of a suicide bombing. It’s unclear as to why the taxi ended up at the hospital, but it’s situated close to the city centre and it’s thought that because the service had been moved, the man was confused as to where he was going, acting suspiciously and so the taxi driver diverted to get help. There are some reports - not sure how accurate they are -saying that the bomb didn’t detonate properly and that had the man reached his intended target the loss of life would have been significant.

Not much has been reported about the taxi driver in the aftermath - presumably we’ll hear a bit more once the police have all the information.

Christians don't usually bomb maternity hospitals and try to kill innocent people.

No, in some people's world view only Muslims do that. Getting close to the edge Chestnut.

Alegrias1

You said this person was not a real Christian.

Can you see into his heart?

Christians don't usually bomb maternity hospitals and try to kill innocent people. And he had apparently been at a mosque all day every day recently, so I think we can safely say he was not a Christian. You are scraping the barrel here.

You said this person was not a real Christian.

Can you see into his heart?

you are jumping to conclusions with no basis in fact, only prejudice. Its disgraceful.
Jumping to conclusions? I've just stated facts. Any conclusions drawn from those facts are logical ones and not based on prejudice. Are you happy to let anyone in the world enter the country when we know nothing about them which could put lives at risk?

Are you suggesting that the only people we can trust are British citizens who have lived here all their lives?
Of course not, but we have a better chance of keeping track of their criminal activities than someone about who we have no information at all.

Chestnut, you are jumping to conclusions with no basis in fact, only prejudice. Its disgraceful.

Are you suggesting that the only people we can trust are British citizens who have lived here all their lives?

That's Boris out then. Oh, and Hilary Mantel. And Graeme Norton.

This is just paranoia, really.

Galaxy

We know nothing really about the man who lives down the street.

The authorities would know if the man down the street had a criminal record or had been involved in anything dodgy. At least they would if he was a British citizen and had lived here all his life.

Are you suggesting that he spent the last eight years under deep cover getting ready for this?
He converted to Christianity in 2017 to further his application for asylum, but clearly was not a Christian at all, so maybe he had indeed been planning this for years. He had been preparing for the attack for months anyway.

We know nothing really about the man who lives down the street.

There are always good and bad. Please don't forget all the incredible people who come to our country and work in our hospitals, schools, care homes and many other essential services.
No-one is forgetting them. The concern is that we know nothing about the young men who arrive here or what their intentions are.

There's a great thread running on Gransnet asking 'What is the answer here?' to solving the issues arising from immigration. I'd really recommend it to anyone interested in how we can minimise the problems in order to reap the benefits. There are many well informed and well balanced comments on there.

There are always good and bad. Please don't forget all the incredible people who come to our country and work in our hospitals, schools, care homes and many other essential services.

Chestnut

It's not ridiculous to be concerned about the high numbers of young men who are entering the country about whom we know absolutely nothing. This bomber was not the first terrorist to receive care and support, pretend he was integrating into society, even converting to Christianity, all the while deviously plotting to kill innocent people. We have no idea who these people are arriving on our shores, or what their intentions are.

Are you suggesting that he spent the last eight years under deep cover getting ready for this?

I know someone who escaped Iran when she was a child and is now in her mid forties. Should I be wary of her?

What this man did was unforgiveable.

But the world has gone mad.

The majority of those plotting terrorist atrocities are British born or raised and not asylum seekers.

How many police officers have murdered woman and how many migrants have murdered men, women and children