Stand off drowning migrants and report – or face prosecution, sailors warned

It’s a perfectly reasonable question Germanshepherd so certainly no piling in from me!

I think the answer has to be that we’re a soft touch.
Someone on another thread posted a link to the official government website for migrants which states what they’re will get in terms of money and accommodation.

It’s always been the stumbling block for those who claim the immigrants are all escaping war zones when they’ve travelled through several other countries to get here.

We need to make the Uk less attractive to them

JenniferEccles

It’s a perfectly reasonable question Germanshepherd so certainly no piling in from me!

I think the answer has to be that we’re a soft touch.
Someone on another thread posted a link to the official government website for migrants which states what they’re will get in terms of money and accommodation.

It’s always been the stumbling block for those who claim the immigrants are all escaping war zones when they’ve travelled through several other countries to get here.

We need to make the Uk less attractive to them

How?

JenniferEccles

It’s a perfectly reasonable question Germanshepherd so certainly no piling in from me!

I think the answer has to be that we’re a soft touch.
Someone on another thread posted a link to the official government website for migrants which states what they’re will get in terms of money and accommodation.

It’s always been the stumbling block for those who claim the immigrants are all escaping war zones when they’ve travelled through several other countries to get here.

We need to make the Uk less attractive to them

Anybody who took the time to read the website would see they receive very little, so I'm not sure what your point is.

Visgir1

Germanshepherdsmum

Can someone explain to me why asylum seekers (political or economic) are so desperate to come to the UK that they will pay huge amounts to people smugglers and risk their and their families’ lives, despite passing through other perfectly safe countries in Europe? I accept that some may have family who are here legally but they must be a small minority. This is a genuine question to which I would like an answer. Please do not pile in on me for asking it.

I too find it difficult to understand.
If you are a genuine politic asylum seeker surely the first EU country you should claim asylum?
But these tragic people end up paying criminals to come to UK

I did read they believe its the land of free money and health care, no idea if that's true.
So unless they have family here why come?
So sad they put themselves at risk.

Those who took the money, who put them onto Boats overloaded today, let's hope their are found, and arrested for at least Manslaughter.
Those criminals are getting away now with Murder!

A bit of myth busting ...

www.unhcr.org/uk/asylum-in-the-uk.html

Asylum seekers are not desperate to come to the UK as their number 1 preference.

When compared against EU member states, in 2020 the UK ranked 7th in the absolute number of people to whom it gave protection, including resettled refugees.

migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migration-to-the-uk-asylum/

Some more facts about asylum seekers to the UK:

fullfact.org/immigration/why-do-migrants-and-asylum-seekers-want-come-uk/

Eritreans are more likely to speak English than any other European language, which explains why some want to come to the UK. Nevertheless, the most popular destination is Germany.

The £39 a week is for their personal needs.
Paid for by us taxpayers I may say.
Bed, board and 3 meals a day provided free. Well to them.

The full cost, plus legal aid (for numerous appeals) plus medical and dental care and attention is of course again, down to us.
Add in translators where necessary, extra clothing, bedding. Blankets, pillows, washing thereof (laundry), heating in winter, the expense of Border Control staff guiding them in safely, on a daily basis for months on end.
Down to us.

Naturally this will be done. And is being done. We are a humanitarian country.

But all this costs a great deal of money. It’s not ‘free’.

You get my drift.

Oh yes Urmstongram. We definitely get your drift.

Urmstongran

The £39 a week is for their personal needs.
Paid for by us taxpayers I may say.
Bed, board and 3 meals a day provided free. Well to them.

The full cost, plus legal aid (for numerous appeals) plus medical and dental care and attention is of course again, down to us.
Add in translators where necessary, extra clothing, bedding. Blankets, pillows, washing thereof (laundry), heating in winter, the expense of Border Control staff guiding them in safely, on a daily basis for months on end.
Down to us.

Naturally this will be done. And is being done. We are a humanitarian country.

But all this costs a great deal of money. It’s not ‘free’.

You get my drift.

So imagine you had the decision as to what to do with a family of husband, wife and a couple of toddlers.

How would you tackle it?

I take it you’re happy to continue paying for all this out of your taxes ad infinitum then Alegrias?

Some people on SKY news and the BBC think we ought to be running a regular ferry service now too. Just to be safe.

Perhaps twice a week at first and see how the demand goes?

Urmstongran

The £39 a week is for their personal needs.
Paid for by us taxpayers I may say.
Bed, board and 3 meals a day provided free. Well to them.

The full cost, plus legal aid (for numerous appeals) plus medical and dental care and attention is of course again, down to us.
Add in translators where necessary, extra clothing, bedding. Blankets, pillows, washing thereof (laundry), heating in winter, the expense of Border Control staff guiding them in safely, on a daily basis for months on end.
Down to us.

Naturally this will be done. And is being done. We are a humanitarian country.

But all this costs a great deal of money. It’s not ‘free’.

You get my drift.

No, they have to buy food out of the £39.

Yes Urmstongran I am.

Above my pay grade WWmk2 I’m afraid.
But this sure as hell isn't working.

We have a broken service.
Not fit for purpose.

How much does the UK spend on asylum seekers? It would be useful to know.

Well I’m not.
We shall have to agree to disagree on this topic then Alegrias.

I am happy to keep paying too, certainly happier than about my contributions to the royal family. On a day to day basis we dont really implement taxation based on peoples happiness.

The Dover lifeboat has been called to another incident on the French coast, together with the French services.

Urmstongran

Well I’m not.
We shall have to agree to disagree on this topic then Alegrias.

Why am I not surprised?

I wish we could calmly, amicably and sensibly work together with other countries to resolve this. We need to stop people dying in the channel and end all crime linked to people trafficking without delay.

Surely it is possible - essential - for our governments to work together to devise a plan. We need a workable plan as climate change will mean more people leaving their homelands and seeking refuge here.

We need workers. These people need safe homes, some need to be near family. The RNLI does not need to risk their lives.

People like Nigel Farage whip up hatred and spread misinformation and do nothing to resolve the situation. As an MEP he had years to help resolve this and he did nothing. If people in small boats coming to the UK meant so much to him there was his chance to make a positive change - to do something constructive and positive with his one life. He did nothing about it.

I am happy to pay for this government collaboration and the making of a plan. I am happy to pay for the ethical and legal care of asylum seekers from my taxes. I think this is exactly the sort of thing I pay taxes for. When asylum seekers become UK workers they will most likely pay more into the tax system than I do. They will pay for the next group of desperate people who come to our country to work, raise children and enjoy the safety and benefits we have. They might well end up caring for me when I am unable to do so myself in future.

What an excellent post Coastpath.

Alegrias1

What an excellent post Coastpath.

Seconded.

I really don’t think that we are going to be able to liaise with the French.
I was listening to a retired rear admiral this evening. His opinion is, the only way is through the international court: namely, to accuse the French government of aiding and abetting an illegal operation.

Blossoming

Alegrias1

What an excellent post Coastpath.

Seconded.

Thirded.

How lucky we are to be relatively safe compared to asylum seekers. Where is our compassion? I’m happy to pay my taxes towards helping these unfortunate people. In fact, I’d far rather support them than those who earn 80k plus per annum, wining and dining at our expense and working part time as MPs, who give their cronies lucrative government contracts!

Blossoming

Alegrias1

What an excellent post Coastpath.

Seconded.

Thirded

Oops. Fourthed