Tony’s Law

It's fine to have your own well considered opinion, as it is for me to have mine, and mine won't change, as I expect yours won't either.
I realise I'm in a minority, I realise people think it makes me barbaric, but I don't care.

Whilst I completely understand the emotions and anger over this and other such dreadful cases, I am strongly against the death penalty, it is premeditated killing, therefore murder.

As I have repeatedly said, if there is any doubt whatsoever then the death penalty should never be implicated.
I have no doubt that sometimes the justice system gets things very wrong, in that case absolutely no room for mistakes or errors or even set ups, but only when it is proven.
Some killers ask for the death sentence, because they know they will reoffend.

It was in terms of DNA testing.
I'm not sure if it was even used then, or it was still very, very basic.
It was over 40 years ago.

Stephan Kiszko was jailed in 1975 , not the dark ages was it ,

Or, let them do 14 years, change their identities, and perhaps make friends with your children - give them access to your grandchildren.
Also horrific.

Why would anyone, where there is any doubt whatsoever, be sentenced to death?
It would absolutely have to be proven; again, I cite the case of the little boy starved to death by his parents.
They texted one another to keep track of the process.
Innocent? I don't think so, not by a very long shot.
Proven.

I agree MissA times have moved on and I'm also "talking about the worst of crimes".

These cases are years old.
Times have moved on, DNA testing is available, and again, I am talking about the worst of crimes..

MissAdventure

I think they're still failing to do their job if nobody has even assessed her yet, don't you?
Of course, it's rare that a case is black and white, and I'm not advocating for the death penalty in any but the most deliberate acts of torture, abuse and murder.

I haven't read about this little boy, because I just can't bear to hear about cruelty to vulnerable souls anymore.
I find I'm unable to put it out of my mind.

Can you bear to think about an innocent person know that tomorrow at x o'clock someone will take them from their cell and kill them? Pretty horrific too.

MissAdventure

The death penalty wouldn't be appropriate for rape.
Not even for most cases where someone is killed, just for those who enjoy torturing their vulnerable victims before killing or allowing them to die.

I was using the rape case as an example of a miscarriage of justice. People on here were advocating the death penalty. How do you even begin to correct a miscarriage of justice if you execute someone?

But innocent people have been found guilty , poor Stefan
Kiszko served 16 years for murdering an eleven year old , what
use would have a free pardon been if we had still had the death
penalty and he had been hanged .

I think they're still failing to do their job if nobody has even assessed her yet, don't you?
Of course, it's rare that a case is black and white, and I'm not advocating for the death penalty in any but the most deliberate acts of torture, abuse and murder.

I haven't read about this little boy, because I just can't bear to hear about cruelty to vulnerable souls anymore.
I find I'm unable to put it out of my mind.

MissAdventure, I don't agree with the death penalty - simply because it can't be 'undone' if/when there's a miscarriage of justice.

As far as we know, Tony's mother (24) was aware that his father (46) was sometimes too rough with him - yet failed to protect him and saw no other abuse.

She knew that he was ill, yet delayed in seeking medical care. I would guess that she has learning 'differences' as she's shown no remorse and even appealed to get her sentence reduced.

Where was the support in his first few weeks? There was no pre-birth assessment (why?) and a three month delay in referral to social workers. Tony Smith was having treatment for heroin addiction, yet still, there was no risk assessment. Somebody, somewhere, failed to do their job.

Christie had been a special constable during the war !

Timothy Evans was wrongly convincted of killing his wife and also his 14 month old daughter.

One witness who gave false evidence was the actual murderer, Christie.

None of those cases would even be considered for the death sentence, as far as I'm concerned.
As I have said, sustained torture and murder of vulnerable people would be the only ones heinous enough.

I knew Timothy Evans family, his sisters were distraught.

And we must not forget Derek Bentley who was hanged because his friend who shot the police officer was too young to
face the death penalty.

Ruth Ellis , a peroxide blond nightclub hostess ! who shot her
lover because he hit her and caused a miscarriage.

What chance a nightclub hostess against a the son of a doctor

I support longer sentences and would even support those parents being sterilised, but not the death penalty

MissAdventure you are right to feel that way and the punishment these days for some horrific crimes is just a
joke. The punishment/prison tariff should be raised immediately for many of the murder cases be it little children and also adults many of these people should spend long term sentences maybe not even let some of them out.
The problem about bringing back the death penalty is that
mistakes can happen and after watching the Timothy Evans and Mr. Christie case several times we see a miscarriage of justice appeared, of course it was too late coming to light as Timothy Evans had already been hung despite shouting his innocence until the very end.

I've no faith in ot, because these people presently serve a pitifully scant few years, then come out to walk amongst us again, often with a new identity.

You have more faith in the justice system and I do

Proved guilty of torture and murder.
Such as parents who film themselves abusing their child.
Ones who text eachother about the process of starving their child to death.
Partners who gouge their girlfriends eyes out weeks before she died...
People who target vulnerable people then torture and kick them to death.

Not a problem at all for me to wipe them off the face of the earth.

The hangman doesn’t get a choice, he hangs who ever the law
declares guilty even if innocent

I'd do it.
Public service role.