Sir Kier Starmer addressing the nation at 7pm

MayBee70

Calistemon

Is it only me who thinks it's ironic that our posh, Tory Prime Minister and his wife are plain Mr and Mrs Johnson but the Labour Leader of the Opposition and his wife are Sir Keir and Lady Starmer?

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He only accepted the knighthood because it made his mum happy. And yet everyone thinks he’s posh because of it. His roots are probably more working class than most MP’s.

Keir makes a lot about his working class roots his father wears a tool maker but didn't mention his father owned the factory

Calistemon

Is it only me who thinks it's ironic that our posh, Tory Prime Minister and his wife are plain Mr and Mrs Johnson but the Labour Leader of the Opposition and his wife are Sir Keir and Lady Starmer?

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He only accepted the knighthood because it made his mum happy. And yet everyone thinks he’s posh because of it. His roots are probably more working class than most MP’s.

What's with the flag?

Is it only me who thinks it's ironic that our posh, Tory Prime Minister and his wife are plain Mr and Mrs Johnson but the Labour Leader of the Opposition and his wife are Sir Keir and Lady Starmer?

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In our poor old country we need and desire moral leadership and Starmer has now risen above issues of party politics.

MissAdventure

Well, I've said my bit about Starmer.
I think it was very well played on his part.
I think he did exactly what the public want to see, and I think it was deliberately a very underplayed speech.

Agreed, 100%.

MayBeMaw

It’s KEIR -like KEIR Harrie.

Yes, makes me jump every time when people get it wrong, but sit on my hands ;)

He’s never called Ernest too is he?

Ernest but boring .

Oops! Slightly supererogatory comment methinks!
I just have a thing about getting names right.

It’s KEIR -like KEIR Harrie.

Urmstongran

JaneJudge

Urmstongran

Who’s dyslexic?

I am, I presume you were mocking me?

No. I wasn’t and wouldn’t. Awful to think you would even credit me with such insensitivity and rudeness. I’m shocked to be honest. My question was genuine.

Urmstongran

FWIW I didn't read your comment as an attack on anyone who might be dyslexic.

People do get his name wrong - I have. And I'm in favour of the man.

Well, I've said my bit about Starmer.
I think it was very well played on his part.
I think he did exactly what the public want to see, and I think it was deliberately a very underplayed speech.

MayBee70

So, apart from Iraq, what did Blair promise and not deliver? Did we suffer from years of austerity?

Nope. He engineered devolution. Thanks Tony. And the PPI debacle that so many of our hospital Trusts are still battling to pay off. That’s a scandal in itself. Oh and regigging the Human Rights Bill. A nightmare. Thanks probably to dear Cherie there.

MissAdventure

I don't think people have ever been so divided.
Mind you, we've never had a pm asking people if they've been to peppa pig world before...

Because that cartoon character is a UK success story. Merchandise providing hundreds of jobs worldwide. Peppy is very popular with the littlies in Spain I’ve noticed - little backpacks for school etc. Boris was highlighting it.
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However isn’t this thread supposed to be about Keir Starmer? Ernest but boring.

JaneJudge

Urmstongran

Who’s dyslexic?

I am, I presume you were mocking me?

No. I wasn’t and wouldn’t. Awful to think you would even credit me with such insensitivity and rudeness. I’m shocked to be honest. My question was genuine.

Blair, the only Labour leader to win three consecutive general
elections.

Anniebach

Agree Lucca

Wow Anniebach this calls for a celebration surely ?!

Whitewavemark2

Forsythia

MayBee70

So, apart from Iraq, what did Blair promise and not deliver? Did we suffer from years of austerity?

Lies and evasiveness. Years of austerity due to ‘no money left’ clear enough for you ?

If you had not posted the last 4 words of your post. Then is is deserving of an answer. As it stands - not so.

But it really is time the 'no money left' myth is put to bed. Apart from the fact that it was meant as a joke (one that has been made before by outgoing government ministers) it was utter nonsense as governments, being the issuer of currency, can never 'run out' of money. Apart from that fact, the outgoing Labour government left a country well on the road to recovery after the financial shock caused by the Global financial Crisis. it was tory 'austerity' that plunged us back into a depression which took years to recover from. Just check this with any reputable economist.

In fact, if it hadn't been for the prompt action of Gordon Brown and his Chancellor, Darling, many people in the UK would have woken up to find their bank accounts completely emptied...

It's a shame that you have so bought into the tory myth that you think 'clear enough for you' is a killer statement. It's not. It's just childish and ignorant.

I won't rehearse the positive achievements of the Blair government, a quick google will find plenty of evidence.

Forsythia

MayBee70

So, apart from Iraq, what did Blair promise and not deliver? Did we suffer from years of austerity?

Lies and evasiveness. Years of austerity due to ‘no money left’ clear enough for you ?

If you had not posted the last 4 words of your post. Then is is deserving of an answer. As it stands - not so.

MayBee70

So, apart from Iraq, what did Blair promise and not deliver? Did we suffer from years of austerity?

Lies and evasiveness. Years of austerity due to ‘no money left’ clear enough for you ?

What has charisma or even boring got to do with being a decent, honest hopefully a future leader.

So, apart from Iraq, what did Blair promise and not deliver? Did we suffer from years of austerity?

Whitewavemark2

Forsythia

They all ‘do fine’ until they get into government at which point doing fine goes out the window and the real self emerges.

No we always knew that Johnson has a severely flawed personality. It is just that many people mistook his flaws for a joke or fun.

I’m not only talking about Boris Johnson. I can think of several others in recent history who are similar. Blair being one. The mask slips once they’re in office.

If you were in a bus, in a snowstorm, going along an unsurfaced road that wound past sheer cliffs, which would you prefer to be driving, an extrovert who hadn't passed his driving test, signalled that he was turning one way and at the last minute swerved to the other,and kept turning round to clown about and make sure you were watching him or a reserved introvert with advanced vehicle handling skills, who drove at a controlled speed, signalled his manoevres in plenty of time (and did what he said he would) postponed playing to the gallery until he could do so safely, and never took his eyes off the road and its dangers?

The choice will be yours at the next election. Choose wisely, we are all in this bus.

Forsythia

They all ‘do fine’ until they get into government at which point doing fine goes out the window and the real self emerges.

No we always knew that Johnson has a severely flawed personality. It is just that many people mistook his flaws for a joke or fun.