Sir Kier Starmer addressing the nation at 7pm

Unwashed? Hahahaha. ?
Unkempt I’ll give you that JaneJudge but unwashed? ???

It just seemed inappropriate at a time of national anxiety.

Poor Boris on the other hand. The unwashed, overweight, alcoholic privileged idiot who made a choice to have two babies in his 50s with his much younger wife during a pandemic.

I see the queue outside my community food bank on a Sunday during any month but yesterday was horrific. I have no sympathy for the likes of our club penguin Prime Minister

I think that was exactly what it meant to convey.
Others may let you down, but we wouldn't, is the message I got.

I thought Kier was being the grown up in comparison to what we had to watch last night.

I thought the references to us doing our duty were appropriate.

Nice to see you able to show you have an open mind Shropshirelass.

I am afaraid he couldn’t lead sheep, oh sorry, he does! I cannot stand him, he is patronising and condescending, God help us if he got in.

Pretty flat, awful and uninspiring in my opinion.

Oh Gawd! ....... “And from my family to yours, I wish you all a Happy Christmas”. What a cringeworthy end to this platform. Is he auditioning for greater things? We both laughed anyway.
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JaneJudge

some of you must have awful taste in men if you think boris has charisma and kier starmer has none!

YES

I don't think Johnson's appeal is so much charisma, more that he's 'bullish', and people seem to like his assertive style.

Personally, I prefer a bit more gravitas, and Starmer has that, but there is something lacking in his 'style'.

Because of our single-party system, we seem to place so much emphasis on a party leader, but it's difficult to be all things to all men, so to speak.

GrannyGravy13

Oops apt typo*stinking should have been *stonking ???

... that's really given me a belly laugh! ?

JaneJudge

some of you must have awful taste in men if you think boris has charisma and kier starmer has none!

100% right !

some of you must have awful taste in men if you think boris has charisma and kier starmer has none!

It is a shame that Starmer is a bit "grey" and boring though. People seem to prefer more light-hearted tones in these troubled time, even if the words are lies.

I'd settle for some competence and clear thinking. I don't really care how grey the person delivering it is. I think we've had more than enough of asinine 'lightheartedness'.

There are lots of things I could say about Maggie and "charisma" isn't one of them!

She had, IMHO, the most boring monotonous voice with that forced posh accent to cover up her Lincolnshire origins.

But perhaps charisma is not desirable in politicians and leaders. After all some would say Hitler had charisma!

It is a shame that Starmer is a bit "grey" and boring though. People seem to prefer more light-hearted tones in these troubled time, even if the words are lies.

AGAA4

Anniebach

Alegrias1 Loyd George had the advantage of being Welsh

Love that anniebach.

Even though he was born in Lancashire
(My father told me because he knew him ?)

maggie the most hated woman in Scotland,even now .She decimated our industry and left whole communities without hope .Humane she certainly wasn't and we all fervently pray there wont be another like her.Maybe she is one of the reasons tories in Scotland are polling on 1% and Labour a mere 6% because they are tories in red rosettes .

Clement Attlee didn't have much charisma. He was still the best Prime Minister the UK ever had, in my opinion.

minus the humanity though- that was seriously lacking!

Kali2

MayBee70

Since when did party leaders have to have charisma? The last two with that have had it have been Blair and Johnson and that didn’t go well, did it?

Exactly- we have had enough 'charisma' to last for a lifetime!!! Trump and Johnson ...

for the umpteenth time - give me intelligence, calm, experience, a great education, humanity, honesty, quiet but determined passion- every time!

Accurate description of Maggie.

Anniebach

Alegrias1 Loyd George had the advantage of being Welsh

Love that anniebach.

MayBee70

Since when did party leaders have to have charisma? The last two with that have had it have been Blair and Johnson and that didn’t go well, did it?

Exactly- we have had enough 'charisma' to last for a lifetime!!! Trump and Johnson ...

for the umpteenth time - give me intelligence, calm, experience, a great education, humanity, honesty, quiet but determined passion- every time!

Margaret Thatcher had charisma.
Like or loathe her, she had a very strong persona.