Politics: I stand by my freedom and right not to wear a mask, but I will vote to get rid of the Human Rights Act.

"It's absolutely simple, the right not to wear a mask is personal and of course my personal freedom matters. The Human Rights Act protects other people (and the sort of people I don't like) So I can vote for both" - A.N.Other Tory MP.

Absolutely

Re the OP and contradictory views held by some Tory MP’s about one’s personal freedom not to wear a mask and yet their desire to bring in changes to the Human Rights Act which would curtail many freedoms, a similar dichotomy exists between some of these same MP’s reluctance about Covid passports and yet thought it might be a good idea to have voter id.

It is worse than impolite.

It says to the world "I don't care about infecting anyone else"

People who don't cover their faces are so impolite! It;s bad enough refusing to wash their hands when told to do so, now they spill their viral breaths into the spaces we all have to use.

Johnson looks very likely to have to depend on the opposition to help him get further measures. Not a good position for him to be in.

What is worrying me as I watch the Tory rebellion over the new measures, is what Johnson will do, should (god forbid) the whole situation become very much worse.

One Tory seemed to indicate that they have drawn a line in the sand. Will this prevent the government bringing in further necessary measures?

They mean they believe in their freedom but not in ours.

I really don’t understand what they want.
Ellen, if you are still very ill after adverse reaction to the first vaccine, no one would have any problem with that it must be dreadful, I was unwell for a week, but got better, so if you’re one of the rare people to have an allergic reaction people would more than understand. What people get upset about are those that choose not to be vaccinated whilst enjoying being able to go out and about, albeit with masks, because the rest of us have had the vaccine so we can enjoy the freedom we do have.

I don't think people realise how the coronavirus act took away disabled peoples human rights, which were hard fought

It seems that the right wing of politics has a liking for contradictory opinions. "It's my human right not to be jabbed/ wear a mask/ obey any rules" - whilst enthusiastically supporting the abolition of the Human Rights Act.

It's the same in the USA where the "pro-lifers" who want to ban abortion even in the most extreme circumstances, are also very enthusiastic about everyone to have the freedom to carry a high grade military weapon for the express purpose of killing people.

Recently a teenager was acquitted after shooting three people and killing two of them. I could not believe it when I heard a Trump supporter defend him on the basis that someone else had shot eleven people and got off - and they are all "pro-life"!!!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59358172

poshpaws

Whitewavemark2

What is that about? Doesn’t make sense.

Don't worry about feeling confused: you're entirely right. It doesn't make sense. Most of them have a screw loose.

Quite

Whitewavemark2

What is that about? Doesn’t make sense.

Don't worry about feeling confused: you're entirely right. It doesn't make sense. Most of them have a screw loose.

“Wes Streeting making a more persuasive argument for govt position on vaccines than Sajid Javid”

Crace

Labour supporting the nation by doing the government’s job for them.

FarNorth

I'd guess that people voting for freedoms to be removed are those who normally do what they like and can't imagine that changing.

I think you're right FarNorth.

MayBee70

Peter Bottomley seems to be another old school honourable Conservative. Speaking in parliament now.

I think that he represents my sons constituency, not that son votes for him?

Just emailed and thanked him. Think he spoke out about the Patterson affair, too, and meant to thank him then but didn’t. Better late than never.

Peter Bottomley seems to be another old school honourable Conservative. Speaking in parliament now.

GPs and testing labs are run off their feet without testing everybody for "faulty platelets", especially as the "fault" isn't properly understood.

It's known which groups are at highest risk without testing everybody individually. It sounds as though you're at high risk for a number of reasons. No amount of testing is going to change that.

Sadly, unless community transmission, including amongst children, is reduced, you're going to have to take maximum precautions.

Approximately 1 in 200 people is currently infected. Hopefully, most of those people are at home isolating, but there will be others who are newly infected and are asymptomatic. That means in a busy supermarket, there is likely to be at least one infected person at any time. Children and people in their 30s are more likely to be infected, so you need to stay away from them and their contacts. Apart from avoiding enclosed and crowded spaces for more than a few minutes and wearing a mask, there's not much more you can do.

I'm not normally a gadabout growstuff and have always made sure that my health and well-being is first and foremost, but that fear of public transport, my only way of getting around, is quite overwhelming at times, and don't even mention large stores.

If I've had to go to my bank in the village I've worn two masks at all times, then scurried back home without a backwards glance at the shops. I don't congregate anywhere indoors or visit anyone.

Even if there was a pill to offer it would have to be safe enough to take with warfarin as that can have adverse effects in that the therapy can be turned on its head in some way making the warfarin ineffective, so snookered is the word There's a list as long as your arm of what I can and can't have as regards anything medicinal.

One thing the doctor could have done was to test for " faulty blood platelets " the mischief-makers that have caused problems during the vaccination programme, but who am I to tell them what to do ?

EllanVannin

It's only because our population has increased that people are aware of these things. There were millions less when both aforementioned pandemics struck.

How do you work that out? Covid is far more deadly than Asian flu.

User7777

Me too, ellan vannin,, just one jab so far. Needed 2nd dose , not 3rd booster. All caused by 1st jab, and being I'll on it. I would wage my docs not interested unless I can be jabbed according to their agenda. We are losing any rights we had.

What do you want your doctor or anybody else to do? They can't provide you with an alternative jab which will make you less ill. They can't give you a "get out of jail free" card for the virus. All you can do at this stage is to protect yourself as much as you can. It will be safer when 80-85% of the entire population, including children, is vaccinated.

EllanVannin

MaizieD I don't ever remember all the population being vaccinated when Asian 'flu was abound in the late '50's. I had two vaccinations at that time only because I was working on a ward with people who became sick and sadly died of it.

Not a mention when the horrendous Hong Kong flu was killing many in the late 60's either.

You're on a different track altogether, EV.

This is what I'm talking about.

www.publichealth.columbia.edu/public-health-now/news/relationship-between-vaccines-and-herd-immunity

It's only because our population has increased that people are aware of these things. There were millions less when both aforementioned pandemics struck.

it is indeed absolute nonsense