Politics: I stand by my freedom and right not to wear a mask, but I will vote to get rid of the Human Rights Act.

I don’t know, could you tell us a little more?

So we have a group of rebels who for reasons of “ individual freedom” are rebelling against the latest measure being introduced with Labours assistance to compete the spread of omicron.

To me they make zero sense.

They have also supported the police act that takes away individual right to,protest, they are supporting the dogmatic reforms to the HRA without providing evidence for the changes, they have voted to take the individuals freedom of movement I can provide lots of other examples.

So how can they argue individual freedom at one time yet vote to remove it at another.?

I think they see the human rights act as solely concerned with immigration and the rights of immigrants.
I remember Theresa May wrongly stating that someone could not be deported as she would have liked, because he had a cat.
Therefore they think that they themselves have no need of the act.

I don’t understand why any MP would vote against the measures being introduced to try to control Covid.

People actually voted for these loons...?

The ridiculous thing is that both are happening today.

They will troop in and vote against the latest measures.

Then troop in or nod in agreement as Raab outlines the freedoms he intends to strip us of in the HRA.

Plus they will vote against having to show a vaccine passport but vote for having to show identity documents at elections.

I don't feel free at all because through no fault of my own I only had one vaccination and if proof of full vaccinations have to be provided at every turn, then where/how do I stand ?

So far as infection goes it's imperative I look after myself, while also safe-guarding others by keeping my distance, though I can't envisage any infection coming from myself if I don't go anywhere to pick anything up. No parole for me

I can't even join the freedom rebels in case I catch anything

I am horrified at Raab and afraid for the future of our country.

Interesting.
The same topic, with very similar wording, was proposed for discussion in a group to which I belong. You must follow the same directives.

The consensus was that covid, the Human Rights Act and the Police Act were all separate issues and it was perfectly responsible to respond differently to all three.

I'd guess that people voting for freedoms to be removed are those who normally do what they like and can't imagine that changing.

Me too, ellan vannin,, just one jab so far. Needed 2nd dose , not 3rd booster. All caused by 1st jab, and being I'll on it. I would wage my docs not interested unless I can be jabbed according to their agenda. We are losing any rights we had.

User7777

Me too, ellan vannin,, just one jab so far. Needed 2nd dose , not 3rd booster. All caused by 1st jab, and being I'll on it. I would wage my docs not interested unless I can be jabbed according to their agenda. We are losing any rights we had.

I'm sure that EV, with her nursing background, knows perfectly well that you don't need 100% of the population to be vaccinated in order to keep a disease at bay.

I don't think anyone has any problem with the minority of people who can't be fully vaccinated. It's the ones who refuse to be vaccinated that are the problem. They are the ones who are threatening your 'rights' by weakening the over all 'herd protection'...

User7777, sorry about your predicament too. What are we supposed to do when nobody seems interested ---only in targets ?

MaizieD I don't ever remember all the population being vaccinated when Asian 'flu was abound in the late '50's. I had two vaccinations at that time only because I was working on a ward with people who became sick and sadly died of it.

Not a mention when the horrendous Hong Kong flu was killing many in the late 60's either.

it is indeed absolute nonsense

It's only because our population has increased that people are aware of these things. There were millions less when both aforementioned pandemics struck.

EllanVannin

MaizieD I don't ever remember all the population being vaccinated when Asian 'flu was abound in the late '50's. I had two vaccinations at that time only because I was working on a ward with people who became sick and sadly died of it.

Not a mention when the horrendous Hong Kong flu was killing many in the late 60's either.

You're on a different track altogether, EV.

This is what I'm talking about.

www.publichealth.columbia.edu/public-health-now/news/relationship-between-vaccines-and-herd-immunity

User7777

Me too, ellan vannin,, just one jab so far. Needed 2nd dose , not 3rd booster. All caused by 1st jab, and being I'll on it. I would wage my docs not interested unless I can be jabbed according to their agenda. We are losing any rights we had.

What do you want your doctor or anybody else to do? They can't provide you with an alternative jab which will make you less ill. They can't give you a "get out of jail free" card for the virus. All you can do at this stage is to protect yourself as much as you can. It will be safer when 80-85% of the entire population, including children, is vaccinated.

EllanVannin

It's only because our population has increased that people are aware of these things. There were millions less when both aforementioned pandemics struck.

How do you work that out? Covid is far more deadly than Asian flu.

I'm not normally a gadabout growstuff and have always made sure that my health and well-being is first and foremost, but that fear of public transport, my only way of getting around, is quite overwhelming at times, and don't even mention large stores.

If I've had to go to my bank in the village I've worn two masks at all times, then scurried back home without a backwards glance at the shops. I don't congregate anywhere indoors or visit anyone.

Even if there was a pill to offer it would have to be safe enough to take with warfarin as that can have adverse effects in that the therapy can be turned on its head in some way making the warfarin ineffective, so snookered is the word There's a list as long as your arm of what I can and can't have as regards anything medicinal.

One thing the doctor could have done was to test for " faulty blood platelets " the mischief-makers that have caused problems during the vaccination programme, but who am I to tell them what to do ?

GPs and testing labs are run off their feet without testing everybody for "faulty platelets", especially as the "fault" isn't properly understood.

It's known which groups are at highest risk without testing everybody individually. It sounds as though you're at high risk for a number of reasons. No amount of testing is going to change that.

Sadly, unless community transmission, including amongst children, is reduced, you're going to have to take maximum precautions.

Approximately 1 in 200 people is currently infected. Hopefully, most of those people are at home isolating, but there will be others who are newly infected and are asymptomatic. That means in a busy supermarket, there is likely to be at least one infected person at any time. Children and people in their 30s are more likely to be infected, so you need to stay away from them and their contacts. Apart from avoiding enclosed and crowded spaces for more than a few minutes and wearing a mask, there's not much more you can do.

Peter Bottomley seems to be another old school honourable Conservative. Speaking in parliament now.

Just emailed and thanked him. Think he spoke out about the Patterson affair, too, and meant to thank him then but didn’t. Better late than never.