Government scraping through Covid Passes etc.

It seems that Murdoch has turned against Johnson.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/dec/15/rudderless-outfit-conservative-press-turn-on-boris-johnson

Nannan2

Our local MP is the speaker of the house- and it shows -- -- does that mean he is not allowed to vote on it as he's the speaker??

Speaker doesn't vote.

From Wikipedia

The speaker does not take part in debate or vote (except to break ties; and even then, the convention is that the speaker casts the tie-breaking vote according to Speaker Denison's rule which results either in further debate or a vote for the status quo)

Our local MP is the speaker of the house- and it shows -- -- does that mean he is not allowed to vote on it as he's the speaker??

Agreed - good post winterwhite.

winterwhite

The real problem is that the whole business of the restrictions has got caught up in the question of the PM's authority. Who knows how it will end.

I feel a bit Mrs Noah about the Omicron panic. The govt's primary fear seems to be that the NHS will be 'overwhelmed', showing up the appalling problems of staff shortages. And whose fault is that?

Good post, Winterwhite.

The root of this is that the PMs total inadequacy, combined with 11 years of tory 'austerity', has caught up with the country at the worst possible time.

Your MP sounds very similar to my my Tory MP Santana. Our seat was formerly a safe Libdem seat, until Brexit upset the apple cart. I also don’t need to check which way he voted, he always votes with the gov, and is often on the telly now parroting the party line, I think he thinks he’s on the make, but I think he is such a fool, they sending him out as their sacrificial lamb…

The real problem is that the whole business of the restrictions has got caught up in the question of the PM's authority. Who knows how it will end.

I feel a bit Mrs Noah about the Omicron panic. The govt's primary fear seems to be that the NHS will be 'overwhelmed', showing up the appalling problems of staff shortages. And whose fault is that?

Santana

I don't need to check what my MP voted, because she always votes with the government.
She does pop up here for the odd photo call but apart from that, never does anything for her constituents.
Over the years we've had some very impressive MPs from both Tory and Liberal parties, such a shame to end with a weak, self promoting excuse for an MP. Sounds familiar these days.

Sounds like you are describing my MP, she doesn’t even reply to emails, just sends a standard reply then ignores them!

Yes, they are!

I have to smile to myself when it's said that the government are " revolting ".

''I am not sure that vaccine passports are the way out of this nightmare.''

I am not sure either, especially, as you say, without photo ID, many people will produce and buy false ones.

But it is easy to say 'I am not sure' ... what alternative do YOU propose?

I am not sure that vaccine passports are the way out of this nightmare.

Fully Vaccinated folks can still get Covid, they can still pass on Covid to others. I should imagine that within hours of this vote that the tech savvy peeps have got Covid passes for sale.

I have totally rethought my views on ID/domestic passports etc. (yes even for voting which previously I was pro) I am not happy with a tiered society.

I gave read that the Lib Dens and DUP voted against.

Lincslass

Lucca

Lincslass

Reading through the list, pleased to see my MP voted for this measure.

Hi any chance of a quick link so I can see what mine did ?(feeling lazy sorry)

Can’t find the one I saw but hope this helps
uk.news.yahoo.com/mps-voted-against-coronavirus-lockdown-195236179.html

Sorry wrong link.

Lucca

Lincslass

Reading through the list, pleased to see my MP voted for this measure.

Hi any chance of a quick link so I can see what mine did ?(feeling lazy sorry)

Can’t find the one I saw but hope this helps
uk.news.yahoo.com/mps-voted-against-coronavirus-lockdown-195236179.html

My MP hasn't voted on this or ANY Covid vote. This in a completely safe seat where the Conservatives always win.

Our FPTP voting system means my vote is wasted every single time I vote and this man gets in and does not vote on our behalf. He does not even seem to express an opinion.

It's so frustrating. I have no hope of my voice ever being heard.

What was the recent sewage vote?

Did it involve people showing evidence of their medical history to a bouncer at the door of a nightclub, for no valid reason?

Riverwalk

Here you are Lucca

Vote

Thanks Riverwalk. Ours voted Against.
I'm confused because he went the other way in the recent sewage vote? No consistency.

Regardless of whether vaccinated you can catch covid and pass it on. How do covid passports alter this? They don't.

There were four things on the agenda last night. I can't find the list, sorry. But one of the measures was passed without any vote, it was unanimous. The face coverings measure was passed with a high majority; 441 to 41.

I'm glad that MPs of any party don't just vote the way their party tells them to if they think the issue they are being asked about is important. I'm glad they don't think they are there to prop up the government come what may.

There's no evidence that the Covid Passes will work. We've had them in Scotland for months and our figures are not much better than anyone else's. What will be the evidence of being fully vaccinated? 2 doses or 3? Not everyone has been offered 3 yet. And 2 isn't enough to be properly effective. So what is the point of bringing them in today?

If the measure had just been to show evidence of a negative test I think more would have supported it. But by including the need to be vaccinated at this time the government have clouded the waters. The Head of the UKHSA says she wasn't consulted on the plans, so the idea that the rebels are ignoring medical advice is not correct. The government seem to have come up with the idea of Covid Passes so that they can be seen to be doing something, even if there is no evidence of its usefulness.

This is not a basic public health measure, its a lot more than that. My MP voted against and I'm glad she did.

It makes no sense to me either, surely the health and safety of the nation should be uppermost in their minds.

Thanks Lucca ours voted for too.

I don't need to check what my MP voted, because she always votes with the government.
She does pop up here for the odd photo call but apart from that, never does anything for her constituents.
Over the years we've had some very impressive MPs from both Tory and Liberal parties, such a shame to end with a weak, self promoting excuse for an MP. Sounds familiar these days.

Thanks. He voted for.

Here you are Lucca

Vote

Lincslass

Reading through the list, pleased to see my MP voted for this measure.

Hi any chance of a quick link so I can see what mine did ?(feeling lazy sorry)