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Government scraping through Covid Passes etc.

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Daisymae Wed 15-Dec-21 07:54:54

It's very worrying that the government cannot rely on the support of its own MPs to get through basic public health measures to restrict the spread of Covid. I fail to understand their thinking, apart from the fact that they want the PM to take note of their dissatisfaction with him. Why would you not take notice of the advice from senior health officials who have informed government policy? Governments sometimes have to take unpopular decisions, you would think that MPs have the intelligence enough to understand that? The very time we need a stable government we find a gaping hole. I have checked and my own MP has supported the government in this instance. It must be about the first time that we have agreed on anything.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 15-Dec-21 08:00:51

Yes - “around 100 Tory MPs rejected Covid passes, as too authoritarian but are fine with banning protests, removing citizenship without notice, and disenfranchising millions of people with voter ID”

ayse Wed 15-Dec-21 08:04:51

Well, it’s a good thing that Labour voted with (the c***) government to do the right thing, isn’t it? They could afford to vote against the government knowing this.

I’ll bet the vast majority of the Tory MPs will vote with the government on the new Human Rights and Immigration bills though!

EllanVannin Wed 15-Dec-21 08:06:54

Well, two women have been ousted in the past, because it's a male now, it won't make any difference to those who are rebelling. His days are numbered.

Lincslass Wed 15-Dec-21 08:20:19

Reading through the list, pleased to see my MP voted for this measure.

Lucca Wed 15-Dec-21 08:21:04

This makes me very angry. I saw some conservative MP (peter Clarke ?) interviewed and he said Boris is a good PM but that he would always vote against ANY Public health bill which imposed restrictions( even just mask wearing) Why ? I just don’t understand

Lucca Wed 15-Dec-21 08:21:57

Lincslass

Reading through the list, pleased to see my MP voted for this measure.

Hi any chance of a quick link so I can see what mine did ?(feeling lazy sorry)

Riverwalk Wed 15-Dec-21 08:25:39

Here you are Lucca

Vote

Lucca Wed 15-Dec-21 08:36:48

Thanks. He voted for.

Santana Wed 15-Dec-21 08:39:00

I don't need to check what my MP voted, because she always votes with the government.
She does pop up here for the odd photo call but apart from that, never does anything for her constituents.
Over the years we've had some very impressive MPs from both Tory and Liberal parties, such a shame to end with a weak, self promoting excuse for an MP. Sounds familiar these days.

Jaxjacky Wed 15-Dec-21 09:14:28

Thanks Lucca ours voted for too.

Smileless2012 Wed 15-Dec-21 09:18:18

It makes no sense to me either, surely the health and safety of the nation should be uppermost in their minds.

Alegrias1 Wed 15-Dec-21 09:27:22

There were four things on the agenda last night. I can't find the list, sorry. But one of the measures was passed without any vote, it was unanimous. The face coverings measure was passed with a high majority; 441 to 41.

I'm glad that MPs of any party don't just vote the way their party tells them to if they think the issue they are being asked about is important. I'm glad they don't think they are there to prop up the government come what may.

There's no evidence that the Covid Passes will work. We've had them in Scotland for months and our figures are not much better than anyone else's. What will be the evidence of being fully vaccinated? 2 doses or 3? Not everyone has been offered 3 yet. And 2 isn't enough to be properly effective. So what is the point of bringing them in today?

If the measure had just been to show evidence of a negative test I think more would have supported it. But by including the need to be vaccinated at this time the government have clouded the waters. The Head of the UKHSA says she wasn't consulted on the plans, so the idea that the rebels are ignoring medical advice is not correct. The government seem to have come up with the idea of Covid Passes so that they can be seen to be doing something, even if there is no evidence of its usefulness.

This is not a basic public health measure, its a lot more than that. My MP voted against and I'm glad she did.

love0c Wed 15-Dec-21 09:29:49

Regardless of whether vaccinated you can catch covid and pass it on. How do covid passports alter this? They don't.

Josianne Wed 15-Dec-21 09:31:13

Riverwalk

Here you are Lucca

Vote

Thanks Riverwalk. Ours voted Against.
I'm confused because he went the other way in the recent sewage vote? No consistency.

Alegrias1 Wed 15-Dec-21 09:34:11

What was the recent sewage vote?

Did it involve people showing evidence of their medical history to a bouncer at the door of a nightclub, for no valid reason?

Coastpath Wed 15-Dec-21 09:37:00

My MP hasn't voted on this or ANY Covid vote. This in a completely safe seat where the Conservatives always win.

Our FPTP voting system means my vote is wasted every single time I vote and this man gets in and does not vote on our behalf. He does not even seem to express an opinion.

It's so frustrating. I have no hope of my voice ever being heard.

Lincslass Wed 15-Dec-21 09:46:30

Lucca

Lincslass

Reading through the list, pleased to see my MP voted for this measure.

Hi any chance of a quick link so I can see what mine did ?(feeling lazy sorry)

Can’t find the one I saw but hope this helps
uk.news.yahoo.com/mps-voted-against-coronavirus-lockdown-195236179.html

Lincslass Wed 15-Dec-21 09:47:18

Lincslass

Lucca

Lincslass

Reading through the list, pleased to see my MP voted for this measure.

Hi any chance of a quick link so I can see what mine did ?(feeling lazy sorry)

Can’t find the one I saw but hope this helps
uk.news.yahoo.com/mps-voted-against-coronavirus-lockdown-195236179.html

Sorry wrong link.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 15-Dec-21 09:58:31

I am not sure that vaccine passports are the way out of this nightmare.

Fully Vaccinated folks can still get Covid, they can still pass on Covid to others. I should imagine that within hours of this vote that the tech savvy peeps have got Covid passes for sale.

I have totally rethought my views on ID/domestic passports etc. (yes even for voting which previously I was pro) I am not happy with a tiered society.

I gave read that the Lib Dens and DUP voted against.

Kali2 Wed 15-Dec-21 10:05:15

''I am not sure that vaccine passports are the way out of this nightmare.''

I am not sure either, especially, as you say, without photo ID, many people will produce and buy false ones.

But it is easy to say 'I am not sure' ... what alternative do YOU propose?

EllanVannin Wed 15-Dec-21 10:06:04

I have to smile to myself when it's said that the government are " revolting ". grin

Kali2 Wed 15-Dec-21 10:08:01

Yes, they are!

Teacheranne Wed 15-Dec-21 10:10:26

Santana

I don't need to check what my MP voted, because she always votes with the government.
She does pop up here for the odd photo call but apart from that, never does anything for her constituents.
Over the years we've had some very impressive MPs from both Tory and Liberal parties, such a shame to end with a weak, self promoting excuse for an MP. Sounds familiar these days.

Sounds like you are describing my MP, she doesn’t even reply to emails, just sends a standard reply then ignores them!

winterwhite Wed 15-Dec-21 11:44:37

The real problem is that the whole business of the restrictions has got caught up in the question of the PM's authority. Who knows how it will end.

I feel a bit Mrs Noah about the Omicron panic. The govt's primary fear seems to be that the NHS will be 'overwhelmed', showing up the appalling problems of staff shortages. And whose fault is that?