1922 Committee invite letters of no confidence.

So does Johnson have the political and moral authority to continue?

Whilst Shaun Bailey has wholeheartedly apologised after (you notice) being caught out, Johnson even now continues to suggest, as he did yesterday at the press briefing that Tory staffers “deserved” a party because they work so hard - tell that the NHS staff!

Chris Whitty when asked was clear that he disapproved, but went on to say that he thought that people can make their own minds up (regardless of what the leadership of the country is doing) and will do the right thing.

We shall see.

Well, I am surprised and intrigued as to who would want to take this on at the moment. Guess there's always someone waiting in the wings. Thank you for sharing this. Interesting indeed.

I think that what has happened this week really is that Johnson won the vote in parliament, but lost the Tory party.

Todays bye-election will possibly see the end of Johnson if it is bad. If not then I think he may be safe, but he is still in the position of having to depend on Labour votes to get stuff through relating to covid measures, and given the existential crises that is not a good place in which to be.

He has a split party of loons who appear to place more importance on their libertarian freedoms (free to infect and be infected) than the good of the nation and the more rational MPs who are being dragged along in the loons wake. At present it is the libertarians who appear to be calling the shots.

Whitewavemark2

So does Johnson have the political and moral authority to continue?

Whilst Shaun Bailey has wholeheartedly apologised after (you notice) being caught out, Johnson even now continues to suggest, as he did yesterday at the press briefing that Tory staffers “deserved” a party because they work so hard - tell that the NHS staff!

Chris Whitty when asked was clear that he disapproved, but went on to say that he thought that people can make their own minds up (regardless of what the leadership of the country is doing) and will do the right thing.

We shall see.

I know for a fact that a local GP surgery had a celebration with colleagues after work last Christmas. So should we get rid of them too.

linclass I wouldn’t be so sure

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Dear
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Last year you threatened to fine my husband & I when he brought our kids to a field outside my GP surgery to meet me for 10 mins in my lunch break.

Thanks for that.
I hadn’t seen them in 2 days

Lincslass

Whitewavemark2

So does Johnson have the political and moral authority to continue?

Whilst Shaun Bailey has wholeheartedly apologised after (you notice) being caught out, Johnson even now continues to suggest, as he did yesterday at the press briefing that Tory staffers “deserved” a party because they work so hard - tell that the NHS staff!

Chris Whitty when asked was clear that he disapproved, but went on to say that he thought that people can make their own minds up (regardless of what the leadership of the country is doing) and will do the right thing.

We shall see.

I know for a fact that a local GP surgery had a celebration with colleagues after work last Christmas. So should we get rid of them too.

Even if it's true, two wrongs don't make a right. In any case, the local GP surgery didn't make up the rules and isn't supposed to be leading the country by example.

I'm appalled that anybody can think the matter of the gatherings/parties las Christmas can just be swept under the carpet. It's not a trivial matter.

Lincslass - whataboutery avoids the questions about Johnson’s political and moral authority.
The allegations about parties amongst the people telling the rest of us not to mix with loved one’s aren’t trivial. They go alongside the handing out of contracts to people without necessary experience or expertise because they support the Conservative party.

They go alongside the handing out of contracts to people without necessary experience or expertise because they support the Conservative party.

Funny you should say that, Iam64. I've just seen this on twitter

PPE supplied by high profile VIPs has repeatedly been cleared for use by the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC), overruling concerns of the Health & Safety Executive (HSE) that it is not fit for purpose.

This was PPE supplied by a confectionary company.. Sweet makers...

mobile.twitter.com/GoodLawProject/status/1471098750970048519

How people can still be defending our government is a complete mystery to me.

Iam64

Lincslass - whataboutery avoids the questions about Johnson’s political and moral authority.
The allegations about parties amongst the people telling the rest of us not to mix with loved one’s aren’t trivial. They go alongside the handing out of contracts to people without necessary experience or expertise because they support the Conservative party.

I do realise that I am not an idiot. Was telling that as another point of view, not whataboutery and no two wrongs do not a right make, but not all were saintly and observant,even before this government fiasco was known about.

Lincslass

Iam64

Lincslass - whataboutery avoids the questions about Johnson’s political and moral authority.
The allegations about parties amongst the people telling the rest of us not to mix with loved one’s aren’t trivial. They go alongside the handing out of contracts to people without necessary experience or expertise because they support the Conservative party.

I do realise that I am not an idiot. Was telling that as another point of view, not whataboutery and no two wrongs do not a right make, but not all were saintly and observant,even before this government fiasco was known about.

What other people did is irrelevant. They were not the people who were making the rules and telling everyone they had to stick to the rules. Who were cynically using everyone's sense of concern for the NHS and for the wellbeing of the whole of the population to impose the 'rules' while ignoring them themselves.

It's indefensible.

What I am so worried about is that it is the “free to get infected” brigade who are holding Johnson to account - not the more sane part of the Tory party. That means if he is fearful of losing his job than he will be too scared to pursue proper measures.

It is a bloody disaster.

Whitewavemark2

What I am so worried about is that it is the “free to get infected” brigade who are holding Johnson to account - not the more sane part of the Tory party. That means if he is fearful of losing his job than he will be too scared to pursue proper measures.

It is a bloody disaster.

Yes it is. Unfortunately , along with the government fiasco, and before that the mind set of many Britons, as envisaged on TV last night, you’re not telling me what to do. As Private Fraser used to say”we are doomed.”

Whitewavemark2

What I am so worried about is that it is the “free to get infected” brigade who are holding Johnson to account - not the more sane part of the Tory party. That means if he is fearful of losing his job than he will be too scared to pursue proper measures.

It is a bloody disaster.

What do you consider proper measures *Whitewavemark2^ ?

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Whitewavemark2

What I am so worried about is that it is the “free to get infected” brigade who are holding Johnson to account - not the more sane part of the Tory party. That means if he is fearful of losing his job than he will be too scared to pursue proper measures.

It is a bloody disaster.

What do you consider proper measures *Whitewavemark2^ ?

Those advised by the CMO.

Whitewavemark2

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

What I am so worried about is that it is the “free to get infected” brigade who are holding Johnson to account - not the more sane part of the Tory party. That means if he is fearful of losing his job than he will be too scared to pursue proper measures.

It is a bloody disaster.

What do you consider proper measures *Whitewavemark2^ ?

Those advised by the CMO.

If you are referring to another national lockdown, the previous ones haven’t worked, they just postponed the inevitable.

School closures will be a disaster both educationally and for the mental health of our young people.

GrannyGravy13

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GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

What I am so worried about is that it is the “free to get infected” brigade who are holding Johnson to account - not the more sane part of the Tory party. That means if he is fearful of losing his job than he will be too scared to pursue proper measures.

It is a bloody disaster.

What do you consider proper measures *Whitewavemark2^ ?

Those advised by the CMO.

If you are referring to another national lockdown, the previous ones haven’t worked, they just postponed the inevitable.

School closures will be a disaster both educationally and for the mental health of our young people.

No I’m referring to advise from the CMO.

Johnson apparently followed the advise to a limited degree and looked what happened - he would have been defeated by the idiots if Labour hadn’t done the decent thing.

That is the problem. Should the CMO recommend further measures as the days progress - Johnson may well be stymied by the free to get infected brigade and avoid following advise to save lives.

It’s all a terrible mess and our lives are at risk. My worry is if Johnson goes who will take his place, will it be someone who wants no restrictions. I just wish we could have a GE and get rid of this lot.

School closures will be a disaster both educationally and for the mental health of our young people.

Of course, the disruption caused by large numbers of staff and children off sick with covid or isolating doesn't have a bad effect at all?

Let's not forget that schools didn't shut during lockdown. They were open all the time for the children of key workers.

It would be good if the government were to act to, at the very least, fund schools to buy air filters, which are proven to filter out the covid virus, and get them installed during the Christmas break to give children and teachers a safer environment to return to after the holiday.

Whitewavemark2 free to be infected brigade I assume you mean the MPs voting against Covid Passports?

Showing a Covid Passport is no guarantee that you cannot be infected with Covid, or if you are asymptomatic that you can transmit Covid.

You could certainly see that Chris Whitty was back to ‘uncomfortable’ mode last night on the broadcast. I think he is really worried about the impact of the Christmas at all costs message. The government must adhere to scientific advice regardless of the 1922 Committee.

MaizieD I know that schools were open for key-workers, they were also open for vulnerable children, however according to the last report I read on the NSPCC website the majority of vulnerable children fell through the safety net

I’ve no time for those idiots who voted against BJ because they value their freedoms. What freedoms are those exactly? The freedom to infect and get infected apparently.

Whatever proper measures are, with so many MPs against them, we have no chance of stopping this pandemic any time soon.