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Mass migration’ from France to UK occurred 3,000 years ago

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MayBeMaw Thu 23-Dec-21 07:48:49

Where was Priti Oatel when you needed her hmm
It seems ‘mass migration’ from France to UK occurred 3,000 years ago according to the DT.
MASS migration over the Channel from Europe is nothing new as immigrants replaced half the ancestry of England and Wales during the Late Bronze Age, according to new DNA research.
Large-scale movements into southern Britain 3,000 years ago have been tracked for the first time.
The people included those looking for husbands or wives – changing around 50 per cent of the genes of subsequent populations
The findings are based on an analysis of the DNA of almost 800 ancient individuals – the biggest of its kind

Zut, alors!

Mamie Thu 23-Dec-21 10:51:16

Kali2 I think the original Norsemen / Normans were 50% French by the next generation. Then three more generations to get to William....

Esspee Thu 23-Dec-21 10:41:51

DNA is very accurate but them working out "ethnicity" it is only as good as the company's database.
As regards the lactose tolerance, for there to be such a huge percentage of people suddenly (in palaeontological terms) able to digest lactose definitely suggests a major wiping out of the indigenous population, perhaps through genocide, sickness or famine. Fascinating.

Dinahmo Thu 23-Dec-21 10:36:18

My OH had his DNA test done a couple of years ago. He is 37% Scandinavian, 35 % British (whatever that is) 17% Celt, then Iberian and lastly Middle Eastern.

Josieann Thu 23-Dec-21 10:30:35

My name is Jewish and when I was signing legal documents in France the lawyer said, you have a very Anglo Saxon name! I might try a DNA one day, if they are any good?

Sparklefizz Thu 23-Dec-21 10:28:20

JaneJudge

I know I am a mix because two generations ago both sides of my family were nomadic but it would be interesting to see how

My DNA showed Western Europe, Scandinavia (those pesky Vikings!) Ireland and Scotland as well as East Anglia.

JaneJudge Thu 23-Dec-21 10:23:40

I know I am a mix because two generations ago both sides of my family were nomadic but it would be interesting to see how

Dinahmo Thu 23-Dec-21 10:19:23

I've often thought that it would be a good idea for everyone to get their DNA tested, if for no other reason than it would prove that there are very few pure Anglo Saxons (whatever that is) and that we are a very mixed bunch.

Baggs Thu 23-Dec-21 10:19:08

MASS migration over the Channel from Europe is nothing new as immigrants replaced half the ancestry of England and Wales during the Late Bronze Age

Happened in 1066 and thereabouts too. The Normans.

Sparklefizz Thu 23-Dec-21 10:18:49

I am always amazed when right wingers claim proudly 'we are pure Anglo-Saxons' doh ;). Germans and Dutch then!?!

Not to mention the Romans!

Sparklefizz Thu 23-Dec-21 10:14:58

Juliet27

Germanshepherdsmum

Sacre bleu! My Ancestry DNA test didn’t show any French heritage.

It explains why mine did!

And mine!

JaneJudge Thu 23-Dec-21 10:14:46

Do I even mean Saxon confused I am full of cold, I don't think I do grin

JaneJudge Thu 23-Dec-21 10:13:21

Isn't it believed that the Black country dialect is the most Saxon as they were the furthest away from the sea?

It is really interesting re the milk

Kali2 Thu 23-Dec-21 10:13:05

Mamie

To say nothing of the Normans.....

The Normans are never quite what they are portrayed to be - just another set of Vikings, and cousins to Harold who had settled in England. Yes, double immigrants like Patel's family who settled in Uganda, then came here.

I am always amazed when right wingers claim proudly 'we are pure Anglo-Saxons' doh ;). Germans and Dutch then!?!

Calistemon Thu 23-Dec-21 10:10:19

Oh not circles!
Autocorrect prowls the threads again

Coracles

Calistemon Thu 23-Dec-21 10:09:33

And later still the Huguenots!

Did these Bronze Age people paddle over in little circles?
Very brave!

Josieann Thu 23-Dec-21 09:36:18

Or the Celts.

Mamie Thu 23-Dec-21 09:30:23

To say nothing of the Normans.....

MaizieD Thu 23-Dec-21 09:16:10

Some of the earliest genetic outliers have been found in Kent, suggesting that the south-east may have been a focus for movement into Britain. This resonates with previously published isotope evidence from archaeological sites like Cliffs End Farm on the Isle of Thanet peninsula, where some individuals were shown to have spent their childhoods in continental Europe.

I get an irresistible image of a Bronze Age Farage patrolling the Kent beaches ready to call up his followers to repel the forriners... ?

Josieann Thu 23-Dec-21 09:13:22

Formidable! I always wanting to be French. Marrying one was a bit cheating!

growstuff Thu 23-Dec-21 09:00:56

www.nhm.ac.uk/press-office/press-releases/ancient-dna-bronze-age-britain.html

growstuff Thu 23-Dec-21 08:57:25

Apparently, the change in DNA meant that people were able to tolerate lactose. The speed at which the change happened probably meant that being able to tolerate milk became a matter of life or death.

Juliet27 Thu 23-Dec-21 08:50:56

Germanshepherdsmum

Sacre bleu! My Ancestry DNA test didn’t show any French heritage.

It explains why mine did!

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 23-Dec-21 08:47:04

Sacre bleu! My Ancestry DNA test didn’t show any French heritage.

TillyTrotter Thu 23-Dec-21 07:56:02

I have not come across this before Maw and it’s very interesting.
I read of the 250,000 Belgians who migrated here during WW1.
UK government (no Priti Patel in those days either) offered them “the hospitality of the British nation”.
At the end of the war most of them returned home.

MayBeMaw Thu 23-Dec-21 07:49:15

Patel of course -oops!