Why is our Home Office so toxic?

Sarnia

Katie59

It’s not so much lacking compassion, it controlling our borders.
All countries have border controls, it is very difficult to get admitted into the UK legally, most other western countries are similar.
If you are from another country even if you are married to a citizen it is still very difficult, if you ask the liberal minded posters how many migrants should be let into the UK you don’t get an answer. Wether they say they are are Assylum seekers or economic migrants millions would flood into the UK if they could, those that arrive illegally are investigated, they use every device to avoid being deported because they want to take advantage of our society.

We paid for what we have, we struggle to pay for the services our own residents need, many live in poverty, even die because resources are not available.

So I ask again how many migrants should we allow

It is no use putting a figure to it because even the Government cannot keep to their own estimates. Geographically we are a small country and realistically we cannot keep absorbing so many immigrants into the UK. I worked in the NHS for years and with so many lovely people from other countries who came here for a better life. They were working hard to provide that for their families. That's all fine with me. What I don't want to see are the criminal gangs entering our country freely. Prostitution, drugs, human trafficking, terrorists, pickpocketing, grooming to name a few. The vast majority of people involved in these organisations are immigrant somewhere along the line. We have enough white criminals we don't need to import them.

Home grown criminals come in all sorts of guises.

Allsorts

All the hotels with 20 miles of where I live , even 5 star, are homing immigrants, yet youngsters sleep on the streets. I would suggest you do your research and find a solution, contact Shelter and see low many homeless we have.

I thought that, during the first lockdown, the government had agreed to get homeless people off the streets? What happened to that initiative?

Priti Patel is doing an excellent job as Home Secretary and she knows that the vast majority are economic migrants, not refugees.

If you are all so keen on them pouring into the country unchecked, presumably you will be happy to share your homes with them?

boat

Wow Allsorts That must be quite a humungous number of hotels catering for refugees if you live anywhere near London or in a holiday area. How do you know?

Here in North Warwickshire we don't have your problems.

Personally I would be housing refugees if I didn't live on a 47 foot narrow boat. Take off the aft and front bell deck it's like living in a really small one bedroom flat.

No excuse that your boat is too small. Give it up, get a sleeping bag and sleep on the streets and let a poor immigrant family live in your boat. You know it’s the compassionate thing to do.

We’ve got 1 million job vacancies so it would make sense to allow asylum seekers to work. We’ve had an asylum seeker next door - he’s been here for years and his case is not resolved so despite being keen to work he’s not allowed. Patel can’t be doing an excellent job as a) she hasn’t got control of the borders b) she has no grip on the asylum system which the Tories have had years to sort out, Perhaps those who think she is doing so well could let us know what exactly she has done that is actually proving successful.

I think that, if you read Maizies post, you will see that people have been pouring into the country unchecked for years thanks to useless Home Secretaries, reduction in funding and inefficiency. Even May sacked Patel for acting unlawfully a few years ago. The standard of our ministers just gets lower and lower.

I seem to remember JohnReid, a Labour politician, saying the Home Offuce wasn’t fit for purpose many many years ago. Nothing changes as no matter who the minister the civil service scupper change.

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Perhaps those who post that Conservatives have no compassion or empathy could list what they do for charities. It is very easy to sit back and say, my house is too small or I would house someone or I only have my pension so I can't do anything. Shelters and homeless charities are crying out for volunteers

vegansrock

We’ve got 1 million job vacancies so it would make sense to allow asylum seekers to work. We’ve had an asylum seeker next door - he’s been here for years and his case is not resolved so despite being keen to work he’s not allowed. Patel can’t be doing an excellent job as a) she hasn’t got control of the borders b) she has no grip on the asylum system which the Tories have had years to sort out, Perhaps those who think she is doing so well could let us know what exactly she has done that is actually proving successful.

I agree with you about allowing them to work. Growers are desperate for crop pickers. Otherwise they might be easy targets for the criminal element.

Allsorts

So Amber, the 43.6 percent of the population that voted in Conservative in 2019, the biggest landslide victory since 1979, are all lacking compassion, don’t care about refugees, as in previous post you answered, is quite frankly a sweepingly accurate post, insulting to half the population. I wonder if you could tell us how many you have housed and helped with your huge compassionate heart?
Just because we remain private on here does not mean you should insult people.

Sorry Allsorts your maths is awry.
Under 30% of the people who could have voted, voted Tory. But as under 70% of those people actually voted, it means that 43% of the people who actually voted, voted Tory.
There are many reasons why people don't vote, change of address, illness, lost postal votes, they don't see any point in voting as they live in a seat with a huge majority, apathy with politicians general etc, it's not just laziness.

Here in North Warwickshire we don't have your problems.
But that's because North Warwickshire is predominantly rural.

Nothing wrong with the Home Office---it's the people inside it.

Riggie

*Here in North Warwickshire we don't have your problems.*
But that's because North Warwickshire is predominantly rural.

We do have hotels in the sticks, there is one large Time Share property nearby that is being used for Afghan refugees.

Allsorts you say there is an hotel in N. Warwickshire which is housing 100 refugees.

I'll freely admit that although I've lived here for nearly five years I don't know the area all that well. However I am fairly close to a substantial town and am pretty sure (sorry about that) that it doesn't have a an hotel capable of hosing so many guests.

Where is it?

"it doesn't have a an hotel capable of hosing so many guests."
So the guests can't even get clean!

I appreciate Sarnia's comment. Where I live it's a ten year waiting list for a house and I know scores of 20, 30 and in some cases 40+ year olds who are still living with their parents as they cannot get a place of their own. The rents are just extortionate where I am and houses( that are not worth the asking price) are sold for exhorbitant sums of money. Help is needed for homeless people living here. Then perhaps we can address genuine asylum seekers, not economic migrants.

Then perhaps we can address genuine asylum seekers, not economic migrants.

What on earth is that supposed to mean?

MaizieD

^Then perhaps we can address genuine asylum seekers, not economic migrants.^

What on earth is that supposed to mean?

I think there is a perception that economic migrants are making a lifestyle choice as opposed to asylum seekers fleeing for their lives from unsafe Countries.

I do not agree with my first paragraph however, this idea is constantly pushed by sections of the media.

I guess some of us just react to the situation differently than others

www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-news/glasgow-kenmure-street-protest-named-22578458

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD

Then perhaps we can address genuine asylum seekers, not economic migrants.

What on earth is that supposed to mean?

I think there is a perception that economic migrants are making a lifestyle choice as opposed to asylum seekers fleeing for their lives from unsafe Countries.

I do not agree with my first paragraph however, this idea is constantly pushed by sections of the media.

I'd be happy to hear from Pepper59 just what they mean by it.

Dynahmo . I really did preview my post. Perhaps I should cut down on the Pinot Grigio. Perhaps Soave would be better.

JenniferEccles in Sanskit Priti means, among other things, Kindness or Love. I rest my case.

My explanation of an economic migrant. My understanding is you cannot just go to any country you fancy and live there. I would love to live in another country say Norway for example. It does not mean I have an automatic right to live in that country, just because I want to or believe I will have a better life there. I may be wrong but genuine asylum seekers to my mind are fleeing war or persecution of some sort. This in my opinion is a genuine asylum seeker or refugee. I certainly don't understand either why many pass through France, Germany etc to get to either here or somewhere else. I do realise my opinion isn't popular but someone asked for an explanation. This is the best I can do. Im not an expert or an academic.

I also meant address the issues to help and assist genuine asylum seekers/refugees. People from Syria, Afghan interpreters and others fleeing or persecuted. I perhaps did not word that well enough.