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England will have no further Covid restrictions until after the New Year.

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Urmstongran Mon 27-Dec-21 16:57:57

Sighs of relief from the hospitality sector I imagine. We have tickets with friends for NYE. Nice to know it’s ‘on’. Obviously see how we feel nearer the time but so far so good as far as we’re all concerned.

Katie59 Mon 27-Dec-21 18:21:29

Plenty testing positive around here along with the colds that afflict many others, in several cases I know of one person tests positive the rest negative have colds, same symptoms.

My bet is that one virus is affecting the other, maybe virus warfare.

Urmstongran Mon 27-Dec-21 18:25:15

It very conveniently means that the hospitality industry won't have to be given any financial support

Nicola Sturgeon will be gutted. She called it too soon.
The bars near me are open, festively lit and busy. January is the quiet month till pay day for the young ‘uns. This week will do well in the hospitality sector from what I’m seeing locally.

Hetty58 Mon 27-Dec-21 18:31:29

Katie59, I'd suspect that the 'same symptom' colds may well be Covid too - that's my bet! I'm in London and it's really bad here. Anyway 'No further restrictions' is only for five days!

Urmstongran Mon 27-Dec-21 18:34:41

Yes. Stay cautious. Assess individual risks and act accordingly.

Maggiemaybe Mon 27-Dec-21 18:35:19

From the BBC Health Correspondent:

London, which was the first area to see an Omicron wave, gives us an indication of what to expect. The first half of December saw cases detected double week on week. But the growth in hospital admissions - taking into account the lag between initial infection and becoming seriously ill - has been much lower, at about two-thirds. And those that are admitted appear to be spending less time in hospital. What's more, the surge in infections looks like it started levelling off before Christmas. If this is right and the trends hold and are repeated elsewhere, it would suggest hospital numbers will peak at under half of what was seen last winter - very much best-case scenario territory. That, though, is a lot of ifs. But it looks like it has been enough to convince ministers more restrictions cannot be justified for now.

The decision not to introduce new measures in England came hours after the prime minister was briefed by England's chief medical officer Prof Chris Whitty and chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance. It looks as though they are cautiously optimistic for now. And whose opinion should we trust if not theirs?

I'm sure the situation will be carefully monitored and things could still change by New Year. But let's hope not, eh?

Casdon Mon 27-Dec-21 18:37:31

Unlike Urmstongran I think Nicola Sturgeon will be thanking her lucky stars in two weeks time that she called it right. There are 12.3 million unvaccinated eligible people in England.

Urmstongran Mon 27-Dec-21 18:44:50

And this, despite Jenny Harries trying to bounce us all into lockdown last week by feeding false data to Javid.

Ladyleftfieldlover Mon 27-Dec-21 18:51:08

Mmm. My son, who works with people who know about these things, lives in London and agrees with those who say that hospital admissions in London are NOT high and people are not on the wards for so long. I agree that the hospitality and other industries must not be allowed to go under. Another lockldown like March 2020 would be dreadful. Not just for business but for mental health too. We have vaccines now and more teatmentsz. Maybe we have to learn to live with it, but understand that some people are at risk.

Urmstongran Mon 27-Dec-21 18:51:54

Just checked your figures Casdon.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/07/as-many-as-6-million-eligible-britons-may-not-have-had-a-covid-jab-who-are-they?

Urmstongran Mon 27-Dec-21 18:53:58

That’s heartening news indeed LLFL thank you for posting.
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Katie59 Mon 27-Dec-21 18:55:40

Hetty58

Katie59, I'd suspect that the 'same symptom' colds may well be Covid too - that's my bet! I'm in London and it's really bad here. Anyway 'No further restrictions' is only for five days!

This link was published last March maybe it is becoming reality

www.bbc.com/news/health-56483445

If rhinovirus and Sars-CoV-2 were released at the same time, only rhinovirus is successful. If rhinovirus had a 24-hour head start then Sars-CoV-2 does not get a look in. And even when Sars-CoV-2 had 24-hours to get started, rhinovirus boots it out.

Casdon Mon 27-Dec-21 19:01:37

This is where I got my figures from Urmstongran.
fullfact.org/health/expose-england-population-vaccinated/

Urmstongran Mon 27-Dec-21 19:07:04

Within that link, was this Casdon:

“The ONS figure is an estimate of the population over a year ago based on the 2011 census, and cannot be used to link individuals to vaccine status, limiting the ability to analyse data by, say, ethnicity or region. Such information is available when using NIMS.

On the other hand, NIMS is expected to overestimate the total population of England (and therefore the total number of unvaccinated people), as it includes people who are still registered with the NHS but moved abroad for example, and may double count people registered with more than one GP.”

Jaxjacky Mon 27-Dec-21 19:09:23

We have two friends and two acquaintances with covid, three have symptoms of a mild cold, one has no symptoms, all have had three jabs. Local hospitality is coping with cancellations v staff off isolating. SE England is -2% people in hospital with it in the last week. Our local, large hospital has 55 patients with covid, down from 85 at the end of October.
The next 2/3 weeks after festive mixing will be telling, one way or the other.

Casdon Mon 27-Dec-21 19:13:56

I know Urmstongran. The figure is always going to be an estimate though, because as you know having worked in the NHS, numbers change constantly, not everybody is registered, new people come, and go. Full Fact is normally reliable though I’ve found, so the parameters they’ve used are worth considering.

Urmstongran Mon 27-Dec-21 19:16:53

Fair comment Casdon.

Kali2 Mon 27-Dec-21 20:35:46

It's a massive gamble - and could go either way...

Urmstongran Mon 27-Dec-21 20:38:47

So far, the figures are very encouraging which is why this decision was made.

Calistemon Mon 27-Dec-21 20:42:45

Hetty58

Katie59, I'd suspect that the 'same symptom' colds may well be Covid too - that's my bet! I'm in London and it's really bad here. Anyway 'No further restrictions' is only for five days!

It's a puzzle, Hetty58 as those with feeling ill or with symptoms of a common cold are testing but testing -ve.

Just because Covid is rife doesn't mean that colds, flu, stomach upsets have disappeared.

Kali2 Mon 27-Dec-21 20:45:10

Kali2

From a friend.

The only reason more measures have not been introduced is so Johnson can hold onto the vestiges of ‘power’ he has left. In reality, he is simply a puppet of the 1922 committee. Always has been.
The number of cases and enormous pressure on the NHS are secondary to what the libertarian fringe in the Tory party want.
More measures to keep us safe are needed but he hasn’t got the political power to enact them.

And so we lurch onwards…….

I tend to agree with my friend Angela here, as said previouly.

Urmstongran Mon 27-Dec-21 20:53:19

So the ‘Keir’ joke went over your head I take it as you’ve just told us her name’s Angela.

She’s as entitled to an opinion, as any of us are.

That said ...
Mr Ferguson, got it wrong again. It takes real skill to be 100% wrong 100% of the time doesn’t it?
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Galaxy Mon 27-Dec-21 20:56:30

No it didn't go over our heads it wasnt really that subtle. It's very likely that Doris made the decision or rather didnt make the decision because he knew he couldnt get it through cabinet not because of the science.

Galaxy Mon 27-Dec-21 20:57:22

Sorry I have just renamed Boris grin

Kali2 Mon 27-Dec-21 20:58:32

Exactly - there was no joke there at all! It is so so not funny!

maddyone Mon 27-Dec-21 23:45:07

Kali2

... and we just don't know, what price we will pay later.

If that price is for grand-children to again have schools closed and work from home, then I think this is much much too high a price.

I agree Kali2.