Ghislaine Maxwell Found Guilty

I have no idea what the men or boys were called Dd. And I won’t be having a word with myself JJ. My sole reason for mentioning these two unpleasant specimens (yes they were unpleasant and foul mouthed) was to point out that not all young teenage girls are innocent and naive. And if you’d seen them you wouldn’t have believed they were so young (as is not uncommon and is often said by men charged with having sex with an underage girl).

JaneJudge

'putting themselves on offer' is like the nonsense trotted out about rape victims too. Have a word with yourself GSM

There are indeed young teenage girls who go out of their way to have sex. I know of one who had six children (not by the same man) and her daughters are now giving birth at an alarming rate. She had a normal upbringing, no weird stuff going on, she just wanted sex and babies as a young teen. You have to accept there are such girls and they are not all victims.

Germanshepherdsmum

*Gill*, Doodledog et al. I can still see them in my mind’s eye, and if you could see them and the way they acted you would understand why the locals described them as they did. They actively went out seeking men or boys. I’m not talking about much older men, dirty old men, but it was very much known that they were ‘available’. Such girls exist. Don’t pretend that they are all exploited when they happily put themselves on offer.

And the men they 'sought'? Were there names for them too?

'putting themselves on offer' is like the nonsense trotted out about rape victims too. Have a word with yourself GSM

But why?
WHY do you think children like that exist?

I'm not at all surprised by what you are saying by the way as some of my own family talk about women and female children like it

Germanshepherdsmum

*Gill*, Doodledog et al. I can still see them in my mind’s eye, and if you could see them and the way they acted you would understand why the locals described them as they did. They actively went out seeking men or boys. I’m not talking about much older men, dirty old men, but it was very much known that they were ‘available’. Such girls exist. Don’t pretend that they are all exploited when they happily put themselves on offer.

It doesn't matter how 'available' they were - if they were below the age of consent, they were not the ones committing the crime.

Gill, Doodledog et al. I can still see them in my mind’s eye, and if you could see them and the way they acted you would understand why the locals described them as they did. They actively went out seeking men or boys. I’m not talking about much older men, dirty old men, but it was very much known that they were ‘available’. Such girls exist. Don’t pretend that they are all exploited when they happily put themselves on offer.

Nightsky2

GrannyGravy13

I hope she names the men involved…

Me too but I doubt that she will.

She’ll no doubt suffer the same fate as Epstein if she even thinks about naming the US billionaires, politicians and famous men. On 24/7 suicide watch but still managed to kill himself? Very convenient!

Andrew is sleazy but he’s being used to keep the heat off the US citizens involved. My Mum always told me that you’ll be judged by the friends you keep! Very true!

They were referred to as a couple of little scrubbers and indeed they were.
Oh dear. Those poor girls. How were the men who exploited them known?

Maybe not, but if GSM comments are anything to go by, there were lots of judgemental people living there. Your description of allegedly promiscuous children as "little scrubbers" is truly disgusting. Are you sure you aren't a middle aged man? Your comments would indicate such.

MissAdventure

Double standards abound, it seems, chillingly.

Exactly. I'm saddened - although not entire surprised - by some of the comments I've read on this thread. No wonder more women don't report such crimes.

Double standards abound, it seems, chillingly.

What kind of men do you know GSM. All the men I know would not have sex with 15 year olds. Were there lots of really creepy men where you lived.

trisher

GSM what you seem to be recounting as truth is the words of either the 15 year old girls or of the men they went with. Here's a surprise for you, both of those groups could be lying or exaggerating. Boys lie about what they have done, girls pretend they wanted to do it. Just because teenagers say it happened doesn't mean it did or that it happened in the way they tell you. Maybe years later a girl will speak out and say it was rape.
In any case the law says 16. Do you want to change that?

Give me some credit trisher. What they boasted of was witnessed and well known within the village. They were referred to as a couple of little scrubbers and indeed they were.

It has been said so many times Chestnut by the media.

Anniebach I think it is generally believed that Andrew is her favourite. I've heard it many times, never Edward mentioned.

Chestnut it must be a nightmare for the Queen . I have been told the son she and Phillip were closest to is Edward, I can’t say who told me but I trust the person who told me.

Wherever there is a crime, it has a huge impact on families of the perpetrator.
What to do, though?
I doubt Andrew will face up or admit to anything though.

Much as we all want to see justice for Prince Andrew (whatever that might be) I find it very concerning because of the effect this may have on the Queen. If her favourite son gets found guilty (of something) then it would cause her huge distress and who knows where that will lead.
Before I get hauled over the coals, I fully realise that justice must be served. I am just concerned for the Queen.

MOnica thank you , I don’t feel isolated on this thread now,

She has committed a crime, regardless of mitigating circumstances, regardless of her upbringing.

I'm convinced everyone who commits a crime has their reasons, their issues, their deeply ingrained behaviours.
She has committed a crime and should be punished.

Presumably the mitigating circumstances will be taken into account.

The ones who havent committed any crime have somehow ended up being castigated here.

none of this is an excuse for what she did

the girls' continuing participation shows them to have been willing participants
No, no, no! Women / wives in abusive marriages often do not leave - for all sorts of reasons (fear, shame, rock bottom self esteem) - but staying in an abusive situation for those reasons is not the same as being ‘willing’

Doesn't this also apply to Ghislaine Maxwell herself? The favourite child of a father who both favoured her and was ruthless in beating all his children with a belt if they failed to reach his expectations. She was programmed to charm and flatter the man, who could also physically abuse her, and clearly became adept at doing so.

The space between her father's death, that she has always insisted was murder, not accident or suicide as everyone, including all her familyhave accepted to the time of her falling under Philip Epstein's spell. Equally monstrous, and I suspect equally capable of emotional abuse was very brief. She was programmed to serve monsters and do everything they wanted.

No, none of this is an excuse for what she did, but most of us are quick to plea mitigation for poor women caught up in this kind of thing. The existence of money should not stop us pleaing mitigation for rich women also caught in this trap.

GSM what you seem to be recounting as truth is the words of either the 15 year old girls or of the men they went with. Here's a surprise for you, both of those groups could be lying or exaggerating. Boys lie about what they have done, girls pretend they wanted to do it. Just because teenagers say it happened doesn't mean it did or that it happened in the way they tell you. Maybe years later a girl will speak out and say it was rape.
In any case the law says 16. Do you want to change that?

the girls' continuing participation shows them to have been willing participants
No, no, no! Women / wives in abusive marriages often do not leave - for all sorts of reasons (fear, shame, rock bottom self esteem) - but staying in an abusive situation for those reasons is not the same as being ‘willing’