Ghislaine Maxwell Found Guilty

I can't believe some of the comments on here about children who have been preyed on by men.

I can. It's steeped in misogyny

I am genuinely astounded that some posters on here are still trying to blame the victims - and no matter how you try to excuse it, the comments which have been made do amount to victim shaming. The fact of the matter is that the ones in the wrong here are the abusers - NOT the victims. If you are below the age of consent, it literally means that you legally unable to consent to sexual activity. That's it, in a nutshell, black and white, How much clearer can it be?

Anniebach

Doodledog you have decided Andrew is guilty, I am certainly not defending him but all we know are the allegations, we know Epstein was guilty.

We know Bill Clinton and Trump went to Epstein’s island, are they guilty ?

No, I haven't. I said that my comment on men being responsible for not having sex with children applied to the likes of them, as opposed to boys who are slightly older than the girls involved. They are the ones in the frame, but I have not 'decided' anything, and didn't imply otherwise.

I can't believe some of the comments on here about children who have been preyed on by men.

If we need to use correct terminology, hebephilia is still a criminal offence and children under 16 cannot consent.

This is taken from a website aimed at stopping people committing crimes in the first place (I haven't linked as i don't want to upset anyone)

The term ‘paedophilia’ should not be used to describe young people under the age of 16 who have a sexual preference for younger children. ICD-10 criteria stipulate that the person with the disorder is at least 16 years old and at least five years older than the child or children who are the focus of their sexual preference.

Hebephilia and ephebophilia

Hebephilia is the term used to describe a preferential sexual interest in pubescent (i.e. early adolescent) individuals, rather than adult partners. As with paedophilia, it is not a term that would be applied to under-16s. A related term is ephebophilia, used to describe a preferential sexual interest in adolescent individuals (usually mid-late teens).

Hebephilia and ephebophilia are not formally defined as specific clinical disorders, but if the focus of the sexual preference leads to problematic behaviour and/or emotional distress, and if these problems are persistent (more than 6 months), they would likely meet ICD-10 criteria for disorders of sexual preference. This would need to be assessed by a professional.

Am sure your right Calistemon no one is taking them to court for justice and a cheque.

Anniebach

Doodledog you have decided Andrew is guilty, I am certainly not defending him but all we know are the allegations, we know Epstein was guilty.

We know Bill Clinton and Trump went to Epstein’s island, are they guilty ?

Presumably they all went for a bit of snorkelling and sunbathing as one does in the Caribbean.

Germanshepherdsmum

MissA you seem to have formed the opinion that anyone the girls in my example had sex with was a dirty old man. I have said nothing about any of the men (or boys as one might describe many) in question but those I know of weren’t dirty old men. I don’t have an exhaustive list of the ages of their conquests because as you might imagine the girls were not part of my friendship group.

That's a polite version of my opinion, frankly.
I have always held men who behave that way in low regard.

Doodledog you have decided Andrew is guilty, I am certainly not defending him but all we know are the allegations, we know Epstein was guilty.

We know Bill Clinton and Trump went to Epstein’s island, are they guilty ?

MissA you seem to have formed the opinion that anyone the girls in my example had sex with was a dirty old man. I have said nothing about any of the men (or boys as one might describe many) in question but those I know of weren’t dirty old men. I don’t have an exhaustive list of the ages of their conquests because as you might imagine the girls were not part of my friendship group.

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I am not ignorant wwm. Kindly don’t imply that I am.
MissA given that they actively sought out sex I would be horrified if the girls I mentioned subsequently tried to have rape charges brought.

Wouldn't you think the damage more likely to be caused my the dirty old men only too willing to have sex with children?
I'm astounded.

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GSM. …. I would be more inclined to say that the men knew exactly what they were doing ….Think it’s now called grooming..
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Unfair Whitewave did not those with so called understanding
let down the victims in Rotherham.

Yes it was to you, GS.
My point was simply that regardless of the girl's reputations or activities, a man who had sex with them should quite rightly be charged with rape, because a child is unable to consent.
Underage?
A charge for paedophilia too.

As for parents, Virginia Giuffre’s father in a tv interview,
he loved her from the day she was born, she should receive compensation, I didn’t know what was happening to her when I
drove her to Epstein’s mansion.

No mention that age 13 she lived with a man for 6 months.

My post was to GSM

In order to answer your question you need to understand a number of areas relating to emotional maturation, early years abuse, poverty, etc etc.

Far too complicated to go into on this forum.

But until you understand these areas, and your posts clearly show that you don’t, then I would strongly advise that you qualify your posts with the acceptance that you are not speaking from a knowledgable background.

If that response was to me MissA I don’t quite understand what you’re trying to say.

Anniebach

Yes the care homes, social services and the police failed the victims in Rotherham ,

I was talking about the parents.

Yes the care homes, social services and the police failed the victims in Rotherham ,

That because if they had been raped, it would have been rape, regardless of anything else.
Paedophilia, too.

No excuse, went out, came back. I haven’t attempted to defend anything, indefensible or otherwise Granniesunite and Calistemon . I asked why, in the absence of evidence of imprisonment, drugging or threats, the girls continued to act as they did. I have yet to receive a satisfactory explanation. It seems that some posters think of these girls as innocents. When I was in my teens two underage girls in my village were well known for going with anyone. Of course if they had subsequently made a complaint against one of the men the law would have considered it rape because of their age, but they knew exactly what they were doing I can assure you.

JaneJudge

Irrc one of the girls Mums in the Rotherham case was repeatedly ignored by the authorities and weren't some of the girls in care homes?

Care homes are the worst place, they can’t be locked up, they stay out, police round them up and take them back, they do exactly the same next day.
That’s assuming it’s not someone in the care home that’s abusing them.