Ghislaine Maxwell Found Guilty

Calistemon there has to be defence lawyers in a court case

MissAdventure

So, if they enjoyed the goodies, does that mean no crime was committed??

I have not suggested that no crime was committed. I have said that the girls themselves perpetuated the continuation of underage sex. Certain posters seem to have an image of all these girls being naive, unknowing. That is not the opinion I have formed after following the case. To conflate Epstein and Saville is ridiculous in the extreme. Saville preyed on very young girls, many of them with a much younger mental age than their years and thus unaware of what he was doing to them. The two cannot be compared.

The Grand Old Duke of York must be quaking in his boots. Bet their is a lot going on behind the scenes by way of a damage limitation exercise for when Ghislaine 'tells all'.....as she will do.

I feel so sorry for Prince Andrew's mother - our wonderful Monarch, so recently widowed, does not deserves to have all this - and what might be lying ahead -on her mind.

JaneJudge

I worked for my local authority supporting families in the past and we had to be very clear regarding the law as people (professionals in some cases) make up crap about 14 year olds being some how complicit in their own rapes and abuse.

Some defence barristers JaneJudge are determined to prove their client is innocent despite the overwhelming evidence. Cold, lacking any compassion, ruthless.
They have the ability to destroy a victim's mental health too.

Were 4 and 7 year old children involved in this case ?

Er GSM seems to be saying exactly that annie she used the 14 year old in her example.

Rubbish!

Why did the BBC run an interview with GM's brother, proclaiming her innocence? Did they run this service for other sex offenders? What a world we inhabit.

GSM as. LAwyer I’m sure you saw that GMs lawyers took the line you said you would have perused. They did and it failed to convince the Jury .
I’ve been in Court and witnessed children of 7 - 14 subjected to victim blaming accusations they ‘went back’ or are lying
Disgusting

Galaxy

Its emotive because we literally cant believe anyone would be defending an adult having sex with a 14 year old. Do you think the age of consent should be lowered to 14 then.

I am not defending the adults. Where have I suggested that? I am saying that the evidence is that the girls' continuing participation shows them to have been willing participants.

I worked for my local authority supporting families in the past and we had to be very clear regarding the law as people (professionals in some cases) make up crap about 14 year olds being some how complicit in their own rapes and abuse.

So, if they enjoyed the goodies, does that mean no crime was committed??

No one has said a 14 year old isn’t a child , I have questioned if a 17 year is a child.

Calistemon

Germanshepherdsmum

Blondiescot

Absolutely, VioletSky. It's the same as questioning why a victim of domestic abuse didn't leave the relationship the first time the abuse took place.

Totally different Blondiescot. A victim of domestic abuse may be unable to leave home for a number of reasons. I can testify to that from personal experience.

I'm sorry, but I don't agree it was possible to just walk away.

They were caught up in an evil circle of powerful people, even those who knew it was wrong eg the pilot, carried on doing their bidding.

A young girl stood no chance of extricating herself from this malevolent web.

How so Calistemon? Were the girls held prisoner, chained, drugged? If that had been the case we would have heard it by now. They were old enough to know that they were engaging in prostitution, old enough to know the difference between right and wrong, old enough to say No after the first time. My view is that they enjoyed the goodies which came their way, enjoyed going to seemingly exciting places and meeting famous people and therefore didn't want to put a stop to it.

So is mine.
Very much so.

I have a 14 year old, he's a child.

Virginia Giuffre walked away

Callistemon asking questions is not victim blaming

Children under 16 cannot consent to sex

Keep saying it

Anytime or place where there is a group of people with "power", the whole dynamic changes.
Be it workplace bullying, social media, gang related, corporate crime.
People (adults) can be sucked into witnessing things, participating, even, or turning a blind eye.
Again, think saville.
Lots of blind eyes turned, but he courted power, because that was his best cover.

Its emotive because we literally cant believe anyone would be defending an adult having sex with a 14 year old. Do you think the age of consent should be lowered to 14 then.

Children under 16 can't consent to sex

trisher

We have laws to protect children. A 14 year old is easily persuaded by what seems to be a caring and considerate woman and a rich good looking man that what they are asking her to do is normal (and fun). It is only much later that the victim realises she has been groomed and abused. The choice you make at 14 is not always the wisest one.
It would help if people on this thread stopped referring to "women" who were involved they were "girls" or "children?"

So maybe they found what seem to have been an exotic lifestyle fun. A girl of 14 may make unwise choices but is old enough to understand what she is being asked to do. The reason this surfaced many years later, as with other cases, is that someone has put the idea of grooming and abuse in their heads and whispered the prospect of money. They don't suddenly have a Damascene conversion when they get older. For it to happen to you once is one thing, to agree to continue with the lifestyle and be flown around the world to glamorous destinations to do so is another thing entirely. And remember not all the girls were 14, that's simply an emotive age to pick up on.

As I started the thread I feel duty-bound to keep responding but some of the posts have sickened me.

Carry on victim-blaming.

Germanshepherdsmum

Blondiescot

Absolutely, VioletSky. It's the same as questioning why a victim of domestic abuse didn't leave the relationship the first time the abuse took place.

Totally different Blondiescot. A victim of domestic abuse may be unable to leave home for a number of reasons. I can testify to that from personal experience.

I'm sorry, but I don't agree it was possible to just walk away.

They were caught up in an evil circle of powerful people, even those who knew it was wrong eg the pilot, carried on doing their bidding.

A young girl stood no chance of extricating herself from this malevolent web.

I wasn't 4, that is just when it started