Another ‘oh Jeremy Corbyn’ movement? ?

I know that Mandelson has been one of the greatest Corbyn critics. It’s so transparent, please just form a separate party and we’ll all be happy.

To be fair, other long-standing non-Jewish members got similar edging out treatment, but without the Jewish gibes.

No, I admit I haven’t really gone into the Starmer/Corbyn thing.

Just upset that good people who had spent their lives in the Labour Oarty were made to feel it was against them and anxious for the future.?

Peasblossom

All a bit complicated for me, I’m afraid.

I suppose I was just thinking of the remarks and ostracism towards Jewish members in the local Labour Party, where I used to live.

Any sort of racism or discrimination is wrong Peasblossom and I hope those people were dealt with. But did you realise that the members of staff responsible for delaying antisemitism complaints when Corbyn was leader were suspended, with an intended investigation into their actions, but Starmer reinstated them without bothering to investigate their actions. www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/were-labours-antisemitism-failures-really-corbyns-fault/

All a bit complicated for me, I’m afraid.

I suppose I was just thinking of the remarks and ostracism towards Jewish members in the local Labour Party, where I used to live.

trisher

Peasblossom

trisher

Peasblossom

I’m also a bit puzzled by the comments on Keir Starmer “throwing Jewish members out of the Labour party.

What does that prove except that there is Antisemitism in the Labour Party no matter who is the leader?

It proves (if you bothered to follow he link) that actually the accusations are nothing to do with antisemitism (which anyone with any brains knows Corbyn has never been) but is to do with support for Palestine. Something which has led Holocaust survivors speaking about the actions of Israel to be shouted down, described as"Kappos" and now thrown out of the LP. It's described by some Jewish left wing Labour supporters as the "weaponisation of antisemitism" and Starmer is complicit with it. It's something we should all regard as deeply disturbing

I wasn’t really thinking about Jeremy Corbyn personally but of the problem Labour has had with Antisemitism at the grass roots.

So are Jews who support Palestine antisemitic Peasblossom ? The definition of what is antisemitic has been disputed by many Jews. The Holocaust survivor drew a list of the actions of the Nazis in Germany before WW2 and the actions of Israel against Palestine. It's something that you aren't allowed to do. But surely someone who survived such treatment should be able to give their opinion?
Are these really the "wrong sort of Jews"?

Well Said trisher

Peter Mandelson In SHOCK Jeffrey Epstein Pic

m.youtube.com/watch?v=0sQY8623YlE

Peasblossom

trisher

Peasblossom

I’m also a bit puzzled by the comments on Keir Starmer “throwing Jewish members out of the Labour party.

What does that prove except that there is Antisemitism in the Labour Party no matter who is the leader?

It proves (if you bothered to follow he link) that actually the accusations are nothing to do with antisemitism (which anyone with any brains knows Corbyn has never been) but is to do with support for Palestine. Something which has led Holocaust survivors speaking about the actions of Israel to be shouted down, described as"Kappos" and now thrown out of the LP. It's described by some Jewish left wing Labour supporters as the "weaponisation of antisemitism" and Starmer is complicit with it. It's something we should all regard as deeply disturbing

I wasn’t really thinking about Jeremy Corbyn personally but of the problem Labour has had with Antisemitism at the grass roots.

So are Jews who support Palestine antisemitic Peasblossom ? The definition of what is antisemitic has been disputed by many Jews. The Holocaust survivor drew a list of the actions of the Nazis in Germany before WW2 and the actions of Israel against Palestine. It's something that you aren't allowed to do. But surely someone who survived such treatment should be able to give their opinion?
Are these really the "wrong sort of Jews"?

trisher

Peasblossom

I’m also a bit puzzled by the comments on Keir Starmer “throwing Jewish members out of the Labour party.

What does that prove except that there is Antisemitism in the Labour Party no matter who is the leader?

It proves (if you bothered to follow he link) that actually the accusations are nothing to do with antisemitism (which anyone with any brains knows Corbyn has never been) but is to do with support for Palestine. Something which has led Holocaust survivors speaking about the actions of Israel to be shouted down, described as"Kappos" and now thrown out of the LP. It's described by some Jewish left wing Labour supporters as the "weaponisation of antisemitism" and Starmer is complicit with it. It's something we should all regard as deeply disturbing

I wasn’t really thinking about Jeremy Corbyn personally but of the problem Labour has had with Antisemitism at the grass roots.

trisher

If you really wnt to know more about Mandelson and Epstein here's the petition link. Dodgy dealings to say the least. He may not have had his sexual tastes catered for (and who knows) but he obviously had financial dealings with a convicted criminal,
www.ipetitions.com/petition/Mandelson

So who would commission the Independent Enquiry? How could it be truly independent if it’s actually financed by the accusers?

Shouldn’t it be a Criminal investigation of accusations of trafficking and paedophilia?

GillT57 I thought the same .

Boris does a Corbyn

Anniebach

He could do a Corbyn

Reporter - ‘did you attend the wreath laying ceremony for the
terrorists who murdered the Israeli Olympic Team Mr,Corbyn,

Corbyn - ‘I was there but I don’t think I was actively involved ‘

The last sentence was used by Johnson about the party in the garden at no 10.

He could do a Corbyn

Reporter - ‘did you attend the wreath laying ceremony for the
terrorists who murdered the Israeli Olympic Team Mr,Corbyn,

Corbyn - ‘I was there but I don’t think I was actively involved ‘

If you really wnt to know more about Mandelson and Epstein here's the petition link. Dodgy dealings to say the least. He may not have had his sexual tastes catered for (and who knows) but he obviously had financial dealings with a convicted criminal,
www.ipetitions.com/petition/Mandelson

Peasblossom

I’m also a bit puzzled by the comments on Keir Starmer “throwing Jewish members out of the Labour party.

What does that prove except that there is Antisemitism in the Labour Party no matter who is the leader?

It proves (if you bothered to follow he link) that actually the accusations are nothing to do with antisemitism (which anyone with any brains knows Corbyn has never been) but is to do with support for Palestine. Something which has led Holocaust survivors speaking about the actions of Israel to be shouted down, described as"Kappos" and now thrown out of the LP. It's described by some Jewish left wing Labour supporters as the "weaponisation of antisemitism" and Starmer is complicit with it. It's something we should all regard as deeply disturbing

And me. Perhaps grany could explain?

Peasblossom

I’m also a bit puzzled by the comments on Keir Starmer “throwing Jewish members out of the Labour party.

What does that prove except that there is Antisemitism in the Labour Party no matter who is the leader?

That puzzled me too, considering Starmer's wife is Jewish.

I’m also a bit puzzled by the comments on Keir Starmer “throwing Jewish members out of the Labour party.

What does that prove except that there is Antisemitism in the Labour Party no matter who is the leader?

unproven

Granys post doesn’t make sense to me. Perhaps she will come back and explain it more.

I don’t understand who the petition is made to. Is it to the Labour Party to revoke his membership on the grounds that he is being investigated? But I can’t find any evidence that he is being investigated.

Is it a petition that he should be investigated? That would have to be made to the Home Secretary. But the rules for petitions specifically state that they cannot contain any proven defamatory statements.

I think it was a very weird post. A “let’s see if we can get a rumour started”.

I did wonder whether Epstein catered for 'other tastes' when I read grany's post. If so, first I've heard of it.

I am sure grany will ask to have her post removed, to say Peter Mandelson who is gay and in a long time relationship with a MAN should be investigated into his involvement with
sex trafficking of young girls, surely this was slander ?

But also mining a rich source of amusement Calistemon
( certainly for me.)

Anniebach

Rock bottom and still drilling

And all the drilling is producing big holes

Anniebach

Rock bottom and still drilling

Lovely phrase - made me laugh out loud.

Grany

Petition

Blair lieutenant – and now an advisor to current Labour leader Keir Starmer – Peter Mandelson 10 entries little black book.

Starmer seems to think there’s nothing amiss with this.

So there’s a petition calling for Mandelson’s Labour Party membership to be suspended while an independent investigation into the extent of his involvement with Epstein and Maxwell’s sex trafficking, paedophilia and sexual blackmail enterprise takes place.

Visit the petition page to see seven reasons Mandelson’s behaviour should be investigated.

Just to get the facts straight. Mandelson is gay. There has been no mention of underage boys anywhere in the stuff about Epstein and Maxwell.

A paedophile is someone who has a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children. The youngest acknowledged victim of Epstein was 14 at the time. Unlikely to be prepubescent.