Farage; what a chancer and grifter!

Who, Farage?

People love him?

Dearie me...

I passionately believe that without him Cameron would not have called a Referendum and we wouldn’t have had Brexit

We all know that’s true.
It’s why people love him.

Coastpath If you dislike the response of other people to Farage et al, it would be a really constructive thing if you were to provide your thoughts on him, his strengths, motivations and achievements which might enable others see the good in him that you see.
You're missing the point. I'm not supporting these people necessarily, I just dislike the malicious tone displayed every time one of their names is mentioned. As I said, you can have a reasoned discussion without all the nastiness.

I’m going to break ranks and say yes, I do hate him.

I detest his smug, self-satisfied and superior smirk. I abhor that he has divided this country for his own personal advancement and gain. I abominate the xenophobic views he has, and that he pretends that they are perfectly rational. I loathe everything he stands for. I passionately believe that without him Cameron would not have called a Referendum and we wouldn’t have had Brexit. I have an emotional aversion to him and was pleased to re-watch the video of him being chased into a pub by my fellow Scots a few years ago.

And I think these are perfectly reasonable responses to the sad little excuse for a man.

I don't think Nigel Farage has ever said anything I agree with. I don't share his views. He seems to mix in a circle of people who never do anything constructive and who don't appear, to me anyway, to do things genuinely and for the greater good.
In particular I disagree with his views on Europe, immigrants and his support for hunting. I can't think of one example of a thing he has done which has produced a measurable positive, tangible benefit for wider society.

I don't hate him Chestnut, but on this opinion forum and others I feel free to express my feelings about him, as we all are able to do on any topic.

If you dislike the response of other people to Farage et al, it would be a really constructive thing if you were to provide your thoughts on him, his strengths, motivations and achievements which might enable others see the good in him that you see.

Calistemon I agree 'hate-fest' is a horrible term but that is exactly what these threads are. Mention those names and the left-wingers pile in with the malicious comments, no matter what the subject is. I think that is what I dislike so much. This thread was just such one. I think you can have a reasoned discussion without all the nastiness.

If there is a hate-fest (horrible term btw) I think it is being encouraged by those who fervently believe in the new vaccines against those who are hesitant about them and hesitant about small children being vaccinated.

I am fully vaccinated btw before anyone starts getting angry.

I am NOT comparing here. Was it just a 'difference of opinion' to oppose the rise of Hitler and Nazis in Germany. Were people who opposed him (and there were far too little ... both in Germany and around the world) -just on a 'hate fest'.

Was it not, the other way round?

Is it not the other way round now with Farage, Zemmour and co?

Again, some os us hate what they stand for- what they want to achieve and the means used.

Again, there are so many example in our historical past that indicate that not opposing those policies and people, has catastrophic consequences.

1933.

Dinahmo

Chestnut

Nobody is indulging in a "hate-fest" or "blinded by hate"

"Some common synonyms of hate are abhor, abominate, detest, and loathe. While all these words mean "to feel strong aversion or intense dislike for," hate implies an emotional aversion often coupled with enmity or malice. hated the enemy with a passion"

I doubt that any GNers feel any passion for Trump et al. Most of us dislike them but to say that we hate then is going just a bit too far.

Dinahmo Yes, I think you have pretty much described the sentiments expressed by these threads towards those people I mentioned. You only have to go back and read this thread to see that 'hate-fest' is exactly what they are. The same posters writing the same malicious comments as soon as those people are mentioned. The vast majority of Grans just leave them alone and let them get on with it.

MerylStreep

Calistemon
Farage explained that he got involved because of the political stance being taken by governments, ie denying un vaccinated people certain rights. He highlighted the situation in Austria and Italy where they are going to make it law that all people over 50 will be vaccinated
Nothing to do with tennis ?

Ok, I understand that point and think it has some validity as I can't see what the difference is between someone who has a certain level of antibodies due to having been vaccinated and someone who has developed antibodies having had the disease.

I'm not at all sure that Djokovic had Covid and I think Farage was just jumping on this bandwagon to keep himself in the limelight.

Chestnut

Nobody is indulging in a "hate-fest" or "blinded by hate"

"Some common synonyms of hate are abhor, abominate, detest, and loathe. While all these words mean "to feel strong aversion or intense dislike for," hate implies an emotional aversion often coupled with enmity or malice. hated the enemy with a passion"

I doubt that any GNers feel any passion for Trump et al. Most of us dislike them but to say that we hate then is going just a bit too far.

Aren’t a lot of people in Serbia vaccine hesitant?

Alegrias1

The rules might be different in Serbia.

I thought the rules in Serbia were that anyone testing positive had to isolate for 14 days. Cases are rising there - perhaps Djokovic was a super-spreader?

The rules are very different in Serbia for all sorts of things.
We once arrived at their border with Croatia and they refused to acknowledge our insurance certificate. Things got very heated and a border guard pulled a gun. Although we were insured they charged us €125 to drive through the country.

The rules might be different in Serbia.

Speaks for itself doesn’t it? ???

If he’d had a PCR test he must have had symptoms or had a positive LFT. So why mix with people whilst awaiting the result?

www.skysports.com/watch/video/12513155/novak-djokovics-brother-djordje-abruptly-ends-news-conference-after-covid-question

Calistemon
He did bring up the fact ( to Djokovic’s brother that he had been to several official events after he had tested positive.
The brother said Djokovic didn’t know the result.

Calistemon
Farage explained that he got involved because of the political stance being taken by governments, ie denying un vaccinated people certain rights. He highlighted the situation in Austria and Italy where they are going to make it law that all people over 50 will be vaccinated
Nothing to do with tennis ?

Thanks Alegrias I understand the debacle better now! ?

My view...

Tennis Australia told Novak he could come in. Victoria agreed. Because they like the idea of the money they could make.

People got wind of it and started to complain about it when he was in the air. ScoMo and the rest of the Australian Federal Government realised that it wasn't a good move if anti-vax famous people were allowed in to the country in the middle of a Covid surge and decided to rescind his visa. That's their right but shows all the political nous we've come to expect from Australian governments.

Novak is wrong for being anti-vax but Australian told him he could come then changed their minds. Nobody is covered in any glory.

But I still don't understand why Farage got himself involved

MerylStreep

I watched the interview to understand why Farage has got involved. What was interesting was that he interviewed the ex Australian ambassador to the eu. He was 100% behind Djokovic.
He said ministers and bureaucrats had behaved stupidly and were in the wrong.

Puzzling if they didn't understand the rules that they themselves made.
Or perhaps they didn't - in the opinion of one of my Australian relatives, the PM has left decision making to the State Premiers so they all have different rules and no-one knows what's going on.
Result - chaos and Covid numbers rising rapidly.