Will the Nation accept an apology? Will you?

That's the crux of the matter.
How anyone can excuse it is beyond me.

MaizieD

Calistemon

MaizieD

Goodness, what a strange assumption. If the cap doesn't fit I don't wear it. Why are people always ready to be offended?

--I expect we're going to have an anti Alegrias movement going now--

I'm not offended but it was a sweeping statement and not specific.

I'm not offended because I know I'm not a sociopath but I don't think for a moment that most posters are either.

I'm not offended because I don't take a chat forum as seriously as some seem to do.

Why bother to even comment on it then? Just doing a little stirring?

No.

I think it needed calling out because it was bloody rude.

My Daughter a Key Worker died in April 2020 of Covid, leaving her 4 children without a Mum, or a proper funeral. I hope Boris and his cronies enjoyed their party. but no apology will suffice, especially because initially, as usual he lied, until he realised he couldn't wriggle out it by passing the blame, then gave the most insincere grovelling apology, but later still stated that no blame should be attached to himself, what a phoney, get him out!

Calistemon

MaizieD

Goodness, what a strange assumption. If the cap doesn't fit I don't wear it. Why are people always ready to be offended?

--I expect we're going to have an anti Alegrias movement going now--

I'm not offended but it was a sweeping statement and not specific.

I'm not offended because I know I'm not a sociopath but I don't think for a moment that most posters are either.

I'm not offended because I don't take a chat forum as seriously as some seem to do.

Why bother to even comment on it then? Just doing a little stirring?

And a good word it is too .

I suppose everyones ethical standards and moral codes are different as reflected on here, but I know where I stand, and it’s not with the “excuseniks.”
New word…..

GoldenAge

Morally bankrupt, over-privileged and incompetent. I'm still wondering why the nation didn't rise up 18 months ago when he'd supported his aide Cummings, presided over several PPE cock-ups and allowed tens of thousands of elderly people to be discharged from hospital into care homes that weren't equipped to deal with them. He'll get through this just as he's got through all the other resignation-demanding moments in his career because people are politically unaware in this country. If they weren't we wouldn't have had people living in social housing made possible by labour government policy voting conservative as we did in the last election.

Good post, GoldenAge.

--I expect we're going to have an anti Alegrias movement going now--

Not from me but it was an odd thing to say and I think the anger Alegrias feels was misdirected

MaizieD

Goodness, what a strange assumption. If the cap doesn't fit I don't wear it. Why are people always ready to be offended?

--I expect we're going to have an anti Alegrias movement going now--

I'm not offended but it was a sweeping statement and not specific.

I'm not offended because I know I'm not a sociopath but I don't think for a moment that most posters are either.

I'm not offended because I don't take a chat forum as seriously as some seem to do.

Alegrias1

Well, now we know who Boris models his apologies on.

What a very nasty and offensive post, which I presume refers to my apology which was genuine and sincere, unlike your faux outrage on behalf of other people.

Morally bankrupt, over-privileged and incompetent. I'm still wondering why the nation didn't rise up 18 months ago when he'd supported his aide Cummings, presided over several PPE cock-ups and allowed tens of thousands of elderly people to be discharged from hospital into care homes that weren't equipped to deal with them. He'll get through this just as he's got through all the other resignation-demanding moments in his career because people are politically unaware in this country. If they weren't we wouldn't have had people living in social housing made possible by labour government policy voting conservative as we did in the last election.

Calistemon

MaizieD

I do wish people would stop calling him 'Boris' like he is some cuddly friend of theirs.

He's not, he's an archetypical sociopath (see Alegrias definition 15.38)

He doesn't give a monkey's cuss about anyone except himself and you lot who are 'Borising' and defending him just look really silly. If you were in the same position he'd throw you under a bus without a moment's hesitation.

Are you happy to be called a sociopath, MaizieD?

Alegrias questioned if the people posting here are real people, or if they have some sort of personality disorder. Sociopathy, usually.

I presume she means all Gransnetters as she didn't say 'some' or 'a few' or mention Boris Johnson.

And I still quoted the wrong post! It was this one that I was replying to..

Alegrias1

Some. I meant some.

But I was bl**dy angry and still am.

Oops, I forgot to quote the post I was replying to.

Goodness, what a strange assumption. If the cap doesn't fit I don't wear it. Why are people always ready to be offended?

I expect we're going to have an anti Alegrias movement going now

Germanshepherdsmum

The hospitals or care homes wouldn’t have allowed them to see their relatives Fanny so they have nothing to reproach themselves for on that count.

Yes I know.
My husband was in Critical Care with Covid Pneumonia at the back end of 2020 and he tells me that there were security guards outside the ward to stop extremely distressed relatives entering.
It is an extremely emotional issue for lots of people.

Some. I meant some.

But I was bl**dy angry and still am.

MaizieD

I do wish people would stop calling him 'Boris' like he is some cuddly friend of theirs.

He's not, he's an archetypical sociopath (see Alegrias definition 15.38)

He doesn't give a monkey's cuss about anyone except himself and you lot who are 'Borising' and defending him just look really silly. If you were in the same position he'd throw you under a bus without a moment's hesitation.

Are you happy to be called a sociopath, MaizieD?

Alegrias questioned if the people posting here are real people, or if they have some sort of personality disorder. Sociopathy, usually.

I presume she means all Gransnetters as she didn't say 'some' or 'a few' or mention Boris Johnson.

No, why should we?
For some strange reason, you expect those that are telling you what to do , to be following those same instructions so it's a real "us and them" situation.
I have to wonder just who those other people t the party were and why did they think that it was perfectly acceptable to hold a party in the first place.
Every one of them should be not only fined, but also have to go and apologise to at least one person that followed the rules and were unable to be with relatives in their last moments, attend funerals, get married or be left on their own after a difficult birth, plus all those that were unable to visit elderly relatives in homes.
Every single one of them should be hanging their heads in shame - though I doubt if they are.
Maybe it's time to bring back the village green stocks!

Chestnut

Calistemon And families who ventured outside their tower blocks to let their children go outside to kick a ball around actually live together.
The severe lockdown you describe started in March 2020 and these kinds of restrictions had been eased by May 2020 and I remember lots of people were out and about.

On 6th June there was a huge Black Lives Matter demonstration in London with many thousands of unmasked people. Do these all come from the same household? Should they all be arrested and charged?

Chestnut the rules on 20th May 2020 included:

Friends and family were not allowed to go into one another's homes or gardens and COVID 'support bubbles' for single parents and those who lived alone had not been introduced.

Social distancing meant couples and relatives who lived apart were not allowed to hug each other.

I have very good reason to remember it.
For those of us who abided by the rules it was a miserable time.
One would expect those who made the rules to abide by them too.

I do wish people would stop calling him 'Boris' like he is some cuddly friend of theirs.

He's not, he's an archetypical sociopath (see Alegrias definition 15.38)

He doesn't give a monkey's cuss about anyone except himself and you lot who are 'Borising' and defending him just look really silly. If you were in the same position he'd throw you under a bus without a moment's hesitation.

Nadine Dorries has just said on Sky News that she has had no complaints about the PM from her constituents. She did say ‘spoken’ but must surely have received emails from people. This from someone who took part in IACGMOOH when she should have been representing her constituents.

Mawkish? Really?

Well, now we know who Boris models his apologies on.

Kali2 Mrsdof doesn't blame Johnson for the demise of her mother to the virus- but about the, fact she could NOT be with her, hold her hand, and tell her to go in peace- because she obeyed the rules Johnson made
So you would rather there were no rules? I think a lot more people would have died if Boris hadn't made those rules. Anyway, Mrsdof's mother died in October 2020 and it's possible the rules were different in June to what they were in October.

Lastly, I'd like to sincerely apologise to Mrsdof if it appears you've been dragged into a spat where people have deliberately created a drama on your behalf. Not my choice I can assure you. And I certainly wasn't laughing at you or your post, but at another poster who does actually make me laugh. I send my deepest condolences at the loss of your mother ?

Sorry - pressed send send too quickly.

Sociopathy: Antisocial personality disorder, sometimes called sociopathy, is a mental disorder in which a person consistently shows no regard for right and wrong and ignores the rights and feelings of others.

Seems pretty apt.