Prince Andrew stripped of his HRH

I’m not particularly a Royalist but I felt very sorry for the queen this week. First of all she had to strip her favourite son of his Royal title and duties, and then she had to endure the revelations of the hilarity that went on at number 10 while she mourned the death of her husband. It’s disgusting - she did the right thing and set an example to the nation while her government’s motto seems to have been ‘party on dude’.

There's going to be a lot of quick removal of engraved plaques round the place! My DH sings occasionally in the choir at St. George's Chapel Windsor and I get to sit in the stalls where the Knights of the Garter sit. On the back of each chair is listed the occupant's titles, so I imagine a few will be scrubbed off Andrew's plaque - if he even dares to sit in that seat!

Calistemon

mokryna

What name as a private person will he be called in the court case, Mr. Windsor?

He's still a Prince but just not an HRH.
No need to curtsey any more ?

Prince Andrew, Duke of York?

Doesn’t sound like a ‘private person’, it’s still going to grab the headlines as a Royal, more than ‘Mister’.

Can someone please explain what earthly use the HRH title is, today, in the modern world?

mokryna

What name as a private person will he be called in the court case, Mr. Windsor?

He's still a Prince but just not an HRH.
No need to curtsey any more ?

Prince Andrew, Duke of York?

Franbern

My general view of the Royal Family is that the whole lot seem to be Benefit Recipients (kept by the State), alongside being some of the richest people in the world. I would get rid of the lot of them.

So, Randy Andy has finally been caught out. Think he has a grand run for far too long.

If you like reading and haven't already then have a look at The Queen & I by Sue Townsend. When a Republican Army win the General Election they send the RF to live on a sink estate in the Midlands. Hilarious.

Josieann

I'm not sure Anniebach, there is just something in George's demeanour that occasionally troubles me, whereas his sister is more than capable of doing the job already!! I hope he/she will be allowed to be their own person, monarch or not. Who knows?

I know just what you mean. George comes across as much quieter than his sister who certainly seems to have a feisty side to her. At least she doesn't have to stand in line behind her younger brother, Louis.

What name as a private person will he be called in the court case, Mr. Windsor?

Iam64

I feel for Her Majesty, what a rotten backdrop to her year

Am I over thinking this but, do we take it the senior military and the Palace have decided not only does PA have a case to answer for but he’s bang to rights.

I've been wondering the same Iam64. Surely he's innocent until proven guilty?

Thank you, Elegran, I hadn't taken in the wording of the statement. The being stripped of his titles wording was in all press reports and I think she could have insisted on another milder.
I agree with Rosina's angle, and the more I read the more I think that the words 'assault' and 'trafficking' are out of place.

The schadenfreude is strong with gransnetters.

My general view of the Royal Family is that the whole lot seem to be Benefit Recipients (kept by the State), alongside being some of the richest people in the world. I would get rid of the lot of them.

So, Randy Andy has finally been caught out. Think he has a grand run for far too long.

Winterwhite You say that "Prince A couldn't retain his military roles, certainly, but he should have been allowed to resign from them himself, not 'be stripped of them', and she could have ensured that this was how it was put."

The statement from Buckingham Palace says :-
^"With the Queen's approval and agreement, the Duke of York's military affiliations and Royal patronages have been returned to the Queen." That doesn't read as "He has been stripped of them" though I can't imagine he was exactly happy to give them up.

Perhaps she has been trying to persuade him to resign from them for months and has only now succeeded? Or maybe didn't succeed - he is an independent grown man who likes the symbols of his importance. Sons don't always meekly do as their mothers tell them to.

Prince Andrew is shamed by his friendship with Epstein, but so are Trump, Clinton, Bill Gates and Mandelson, to name a few. Perhaps no photographs of their association exist.

I am sure when this case first broke it was claimed that Andrew had negotiated a loan with Epstein on behalf of his ex-wife because, as a journalist said, money just seem to slip through her fingers. I think he has stood by her more than she stood by him, but we shall see.

Rosina

Alegrias I have to add here that the RF's ancestors were far better fighters than yours - that's why they are there now, and you are not!

They must have been excellent, then!

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nanna8

Get rid of the lot of them and put the money into the health system and/or education.

A Presidential system will cost as much or more.
There would be no extra money for other services from getting rid of the Monarchy. We can easily find extra money for health and education.

If they want to abdicate totally I would support that as it is an enormous burden to inherit.

Rosina

Alegrias I have to add here that the RF's ancestors were far better fighters than yours - that's why they are there now, and you are not!

Agreed!

I think I could take on quite a few of them though. I have a low centre of gravity.

I just watched a little video report on BBC about why the titles are so important to him. It seems to be because he'll no longer be able to parade on his horse in front of mum on her (official) birthday and because being a military man, being able to say that he is colonel of this, that and whatever is considered very important.

Well, tough cheese.

Alegrias I have to add here that the RF's ancestors were far better fighters than yours - that's why they are there now, and you are not!

Get rid of the lot of them and put the money into the health system and/or education.

Why?

henetha I agree with you - what I know of Prince Andrew is from the media. I have absolutely no partiality, but he has yet to be charged with anything, and is currently accused by a woman who has had a similar case she brought against another man thrown out of court, and was not called to give evidence in the Maxwell trial as there were 'glaring innacuracies' in her statement. She may be a victim of Epstein and the American legal system, we just don't know. However, it has been reported that she procured girls for Epstein once she was in his circle, which she now regrets. PA has had no other suggestions of sexual impropriety in his life. He has chosen some very dubious friends and it all looks pretty damming...but we don't know. Whatever happens now he is ruined; the effect on his ninety five year old Mother must be so damaging for a grieving widow.

Totally agree with you, Alegrias1. No need for them in this day and age.

Lincslass

paddyann54

I hope the whole system is dismantled long before William gets to the throne never mind George .Its a medieval concept not fit for the 21st century as we can clearly see .IF these people had to actually work for a living instead of the shaking hands and smiling...oh and cutting ribbons etc they would no doubt sink out of trace fast.

Do you say that about ALL Constitutional Monarchies, or is it the the British one you have a definite bias against.

I'm sure paddyann54 will answer for herself, but for me its all constitutional systems that rely on choosing a leader based on who their mum and dad were.

I feel so sorry for the Queen as a mum. We all want to care for our children and it must be hard for her to do this.

I’m not sure but I believe the charge of rape is because she was 17 and underage as far as America is concerned not that he actually forced her although I could be wrong.