Russian massing on the Ukrainian border

news.sky.com/story/ukraine-crisis-moscow-accepts-uk-talks-invite-amid-fears-russian-invasion-is-imminent-12522361.

Whitewavemark2

I’m way ahead of all of you, into my second bottle trying to deaden my bruised head from the wall

Is it BYOB, Whitewave?

Interesting discussion on BBC World News which came from Kiev at lunch-time today. I don't think there is a link to it as yet on the BBC website.

Kali2

GrannyGravy13

Kali2 the first paragraph of your post refers to the relationship between the U.K. and other European Countries NOT the relationship between the U.K. and NATO

And if you read my posts, you will see that both relationships are linked.

Kali2 your post is about the U.K. / EU relationship your cut and paste does not mention NATO once.

GrannyGravy13

Kali2 the first paragraph of your post refers to the relationship between the U.K. and other European Countries NOT the relationship between the U.K. and NATO

And if you read my posts, you will see that both relationships are linked.

Whitewavemark2

I’m way ahead of all of you, into my second bottle trying to deaden my bruised head from the wall

I’ll send up some paracetamol for the morning.

Kali2 the first paragraph of your post refers to the relationship between the U.K. and other European Countries NOT the relationship between the U.K. and NATO

I’m way ahead of all of you, into my second bottle trying to deaden my bruised head from the wall

Shake your head, insult even.

So I shall repeat- the relationship of the UK, as part of NATO, with united European Countries, as part of NATO, has changed due to Brexit. The UK has so far refused to discuss the future relationship with other European countries, as part of NATO

''British opposition to formalising cooperation could be explained by the perception that the EU institutional frameworks for external security cooperation offer 'few incentives for the UK', compared to other, more flexible formats (ad hoc coalitions). The EU's proposals for possible foreign and security policy cooperation with the UK include several areas such as coordination in multilateral organisations, sanctions, crisis management, capability development, intelligence, and development. To this end, the Deputy Secretary General of the European External Action Service (EEAS), Charles Fries, argued before the European Parliament's Subcommittee on Security and Defence (SEDE) in May 2021 that, 'there is huge potential todevelop a relationship with the UK, once London is ready to engage in a discussionon security and defence with us.'' (Official EU document on Brexit implications to European security).

This has not happened yet, and so said relationship is unclear at the moment.

Greyduster

Is it too early for a large gin and gin?

I’ll join you - cheers!

Is it too early for a large gin and gin?

Callistemon21

^It is no longer a member as part of Europe, but on its own. Simple to understand.^

Oh dear
Shakes head in despair

The EU per se is not a member of NATO
The EU is a union of disparate countries.
Some of these countries belong to NATO but not all of them do.

I think our posts are at best either not being read and/or understood, or just outright being ignored!

Not sure about pearl clutching I am close to ripping mine off and throwing them at the wall…

It is no longer a member as part of Europe, but on its own. Simple to understand.

Oh dear
Shakes head in despair

The EU per se is not a member of NATO
The EU is a union of disparate countries.
Some of these countries belong to NATO but not all of them do.

Greyduster

^The UK was part of NATO as a member of the European Community- it is no longer^. ?‍♀️Dear God, is it just me? Where are you getting your information from?

BEWARE!

You are entering the Parallel Universe which is Gransnet
Be prepared to Suspend Belief

Kali2

Greyduster

The UK was part of NATO as a member of the European Community- it is no longer. ?‍♀️Dear God, is it just me? Where are you getting your information from?

It is no longer a member as part of Europe, but on its own. Simple to understand.

Individual Countries are part of NATO, not a trading block which is why some Countries who although being an EU member state are not a member of NATO

simple to understand

Do you really think that the UK, on its knees due to the Covid-Brexit combination- and isolated from the rest of Europe, is in a position to get involved in the most dangerous and destructive war ever, with a madman?

For all his evil acts and strong arm tactics Putin is most definitely not mad.

Greyduster

^The UK was part of NATO as a member of the European Community- it is no longer^. ?‍♀️Dear God, is it just me? Where are you getting your information from?

It is no longer a member as part of Europe, but on its own. Simple to understand.

Jaberwok
Your not confused. I think someone’s been breathing too much rarefied air.

MerylStreep, you have made me chuckle! Our relationship with NATO hasn't changed one iota since leaving the EU. Each country joined independently and has remained so including us, nothing to do with EU membership or lack of it. [ confused]

Someone’s really lost the plot here, and it ain’t me. ?
Perhaps the British Military expert and font of all knowledge appertaining to the uk could explain when we left NATO

It's ok, they've got a spreadsheet

What's the PM doing this weekend? According to the Times, getting together top lieutenants to shore up his leadership.

The UK was part of NATO as a member of the European Community- it is no longer. ?‍♀️Dear God, is it just me? Where are you getting your information from?