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Two Years of Keir Starmer. What do we think?

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Ilovecheese Sat 22-Jan-22 14:17:34

Last year there was a thread asking what people thought about Keir Starmer after he had been the Labour leader for a year.
I thought it might be interesting to see what people think another year later.

I actually voted for him in the leadership election but have since left the Labour party. I don't know what his policies are so can't really judge them. It looks to me, from his enthusiasm about the Conservative who defected to Labour a few days ago, that he is positioning the Labour party as similar to the Conservative party, but not quite as right wing.

Has anyone on here who didn't vote Labour last time been inspired by Keir Starmer to change their mind?

Casdon Sun 23-Jan-22 17:20:30

I don’t believe anything I read in some media. The Skwawkbox is a left-wing news site. The Skwawkbox states that its aim is to "present information and analysis that will rarely make it into the mainstream media." Founder Steve Walker has said: "The people we're trying to reach are what we call the outer parts of the Venn diagram.
On the outer parts of the Venn diagram he refers to are you and grany, trisher and a few others, but, not most Labour Party supporters. Steve Walker is a Corbynite who has left the party now, so his reporting is not by any stretch unbiased or moderate.

trisher Sun 23-Jan-22 17:10:45

As for the fake accounts on social media, do you imagine for one minute that Keir Starmer is personally sitting creating fake accounts, or that he’s told one of his immediate team to do it on his behalf. No.

Well can you believe it? Apparently party leaders aren't responsible for what goes on in their party. Where was this attitude when Corbyn was being criticised for allowing antisemitism?
Let's put it like this if Starmer isn't responsible he needs to find out who is.

As for the funding it is seriously down. Now about the same as 2014. skwawkbox.org/2021/12/26/labour-finances-about-to-fall-off-even-bigger-cliff-new-analysis-shows/

M0nica Sun 23-Jan-22 16:57:29

Who?

Casdon Sun 23-Jan-22 16:53:23

The Labour Party is in transition trisher. It has to change, as you know and I know, we just view the rationale for the change differently. We also both know it won’t be bankrupt.
As for the fake accounts on social media, do you imagine for one minute that Keir Starmer is personally sitting creating fake accounts, or that he’s told one of his immediate team to do it on his behalf. No.

trisher Sun 23-Jan-22 16:48:50

Casdon

It’s transparently just another failed attempt at a smear from the left of the party Grany, nobody with a brain is taking any notice. Fake instagram and other social media account followers aren’t new news, remember the last election?

Well someone is obviously taking notice Casdon otherwise why would anyone bother if a large number of followers disappeared and go to the effort of creating the same number of fake accounts?

Some one has described Starmer as creating stability. He hasn't. The LP is almost bankrupt it has lost members and Starmer has expelled people. Let's not forget that this man promised to unite the party instead it is in fragments. If there was an election tomorrow it probably couldn't afford to fight it, many of its most active supporters wouldn't or couldn't be involved and the man who is leading the LP is probably best known to the British public as "Who?"

Casdon Sun 23-Jan-22 16:24:04

It’s transparently just another failed attempt at a smear from the left of the party Grany, nobody with a brain is taking any notice. Fake instagram and other social media account followers aren’t new news, remember the last election?

Grany Sun 23-Jan-22 16:09:50

Over 10,000 unfollowed Starmer and exactly the same amount was immediately added

In the 18-hour period mentioned above, according to the analysis platform, Starmer losts 10,421 genuine followers – and gained… 10,421 fake

Twitter’s rules on the use of fake followers are clear:

MaizieD Sun 23-Jan-22 16:06:52

Floriel

MaizieD

Floriel

Several people are praising his integrity but I understand that as head of the CPS a decade or so ago Starmer did little to prosecute the wicked gangs who groomed young working-class girls.

You understand quite wrongly then.

medium.com/@lucynevitt/starmers-shambolic-cps-affabd38bb6d

www.just-debate.co.uk/post/inside-keir-starmer-s-time-at-the-cps

Pammie1 Sun 23-Jan-22 16:03:39

Grany

36 Tory MPs have received £3.6 million from persons named in the Pandora Papers

You know this already of course because Keir Starmer has done such an amazing job for the opposition holding the Tories to account for it. Not.

2.3ml people who receive Universal Credit (over 40%) are in work. They have lost £20 a week; are being subjected to a National Insurance tax rise; and face a massive increase in winter fuel costs.

Currently they have no political voice. It has to change.

The government is planning to do even worse. A consultation has just closed which proposes more draconian cuts to disability benefits, which will further marginalise some of the most vulnerable in society - also people with no political voice. Proposing to merge Personal Independence Payment with Universal Credit. PIP is currently not means tested as it’s intended as an extra cost benefit to cope with the cost of living with a disability - if the proposals pass into law it means millions of people will lose the vital support which PIP gives them unless they qualify for means tested UC. There will be a knock on effect for Motability as these people will lose the vehicles which in many cases allow them to travel to work - and so a knock on effect for the economy. If Rishi Sunak becomes PM it’ll be even worse because he’s supposedly passionate about ‘small state’, so expect benefits cut to the bone, means testing cut to bread line levels and decimated public services.

Galaxy Sun 23-Jan-22 15:59:20

I think they do actually believe that monitoring Twitter is activism. There is a lot of it about.

MaizieD Sun 23-Jan-22 15:55:26

Grany

Starmer and Reeves blocked an activist on twitter for pointing out that a third of their followers were fake that's hundreds of thousands fake followers.

The activists will have to do better than that, Grany. People aren't yet judged by the number of their twitter followers. And I'm prepared to bet that every prominent political figure has thousands of fake followers. Heard of 'troll farms'?

Floriel Sun 23-Jan-22 15:54:56

MaizieD

Floriel

Several people are praising his integrity but I understand that as head of the CPS a decade or so ago Starmer did little to prosecute the wicked gangs who groomed young working-class girls.

You understand quite wrongly then.

medium.com/@lucynevitt/starmers-shambolic-cps-affabd38bb6d

Galaxy Sun 23-Jan-22 15:54:31

Maizie D your patience amazes me. I should aim to be more like you grin

Pammie1 Sun 23-Jan-22 15:52:34

I think Keir Starmer has brought some stability to the Labour Party and I think I’d vote for him. I think electability depends very much on what the Tories do next. If BJ goes, his successor has his work cut out to restore any kind of credibility to the government and confidence in the electorate, and I think Starmer needs to use every opportunity he gets to make hay at the expense of the government. People have had enough of Tory sleaze and I’d like to think there’s a real opportunity for Labour here, but an awful lot depends on what happens in the run up to the next election and how long people’s memories are when they get to the ballot box.

MaizieD Sun 23-Jan-22 15:48:04

Floriel

Several people are praising his integrity but I understand that as head of the CPS a decade or so ago Starmer did little to prosecute the wicked gangs who groomed young working-class girls.

You understand quite wrongly then.

Floriel Sun 23-Jan-22 15:39:55

Several people are praising his integrity but I understand that as head of the CPS a decade or so ago Starmer did little to prosecute the wicked gangs who groomed young working-class girls.

Grany Sun 23-Jan-22 15:25:57

36 Tory MPs have received £3.6 million from persons named in the Pandora Papers

You know this already of course because Keir Starmer has done such an amazing job for the opposition holding the Tories to account for it. Not.

2.3ml people who receive Universal Credit (over 40%) are in work. They have lost £20 a week; are being subjected to a National Insurance tax rise; and face a massive increase in winter fuel costs.

Currently they have no political voice. It has to change.

Grany Sun 23-Jan-22 14:37:33

Did they know they had thousands of fake followers

Casdon Sun 23-Jan-22 14:06:36

And your point is Grany?

Grany Sun 23-Jan-22 12:54:58

Starmer and Reeves blocked an activist on twitter for pointing out that a third of their followers were fake that's hundreds of thousands fake followers.

Ilovecheese Sun 23-Jan-22 11:37:08

His focus does seem to be on people who work, I've not heard him say anything about people who are unable to work or who are retired.

Grantanow Sun 23-Jan-22 11:21:22

Starmer is a bit vanilla and lacking in charisma but he is a big improvement on the man with the anti-vaxxer brother and on the buffoon currently in No. 10. He is not a patch on Tony Blair but he could do the job. Let's hope the Tories are in self-destruct mode.

Dickens Sun 23-Jan-22 07:50:39

Jaylou

Does anyone know what Starmer's policies on Pensions and the ever increasing retirement age are?

All I know is he abstained on scrapping the triple-lock on a parliamentary vote...

Jaylou Sat 22-Jan-22 22:02:26

Does anyone know what Starmer's policies on Pensions and the ever increasing retirement age are?

Marmite32 Sat 22-Jan-22 21:55:15

Like others I think he's playing a cautious game, giving Johnsonet al enough rope to hang themselves. After all labour has a big gap to catch up. At the moment acc. to the link I found the conservatives have 55 more seats than Labour.
At the last election it was the 'Red Wall' tturning blue that was the biggest shock. to me anyway.
And hopefully the preference for leaders with so-called 'charisma' isn't so strong now.
All show and no blow as they used to say.