Two Years of Keir Starmer. What do we think?

That probably explains what was happening, & having a Jewish family doesn't mean he is a Zionist.Maybe there was a sound basis to the antisemitism allegations, if the corbyn supporters are acting like that.
I would vote for him even if he was Zionist, as long as he didn't deny the rights of Palestinians to statehood (of some kind, one day....). If he was on record doing that, would have to be LibDems for me

Starmer said he wouldn’t tolerate anti semitism. The corbyn supporters call him a Zionist, using the term in a derogatory way of course. They often refer to the fact his wife and children follow the Jewish faith.
He tries to avoid being away from the family on Friday as his wife and her extended family keep shabbat.

Mrs Starmer and the children are Jewish.

I think Starmer has done a good job the last 2 years. And the list of pledges WWM2 lists are realistic & I expect to vote for them next time. My only grouse - when he seemed to have no backbone, getting rid of his people and denouncing them on the faintest allegation of antisemitism, when the facts didnt seem to support the allegations. Seems to be a sore point with him, but given how the press & JC played out over that issue, I can see why it might be.

I’m warming to Keir Starmer, slightly. He does bang on a bit though doesn’t he? He can be a bit, well boring. I tend to zone out when he’s pontificating. But he’s decent. I think the adjective ‘ernest’ suits him best.

But it’s not just him is it?
We’d get the job lot. Angela Rayner, David Lammy. Hopefully not Dianne Abbott. I don’t think she’s on his team. She was for Jeremy. I think he has to stand as an Independent now?

I like Rachel Reeves. Similar age to Rishi Sunak.

But yes I might be tempted. Perhaps. The jury is out.

I left the Labour Party when Corbyn was elected leader. I had voted for Yvette Cooper. Ed Milliband should never have been elected leader either. David M would have been a better bet. I’m not quite ready to rejoin Labour. I find the extreme left difficult. I get the impression they would rather not win elections at all with their current leader. Starmer may be bland but he seems honest and trustworthy. I think he would conduct himself on the world’s stage in the correct manner. I think we’ve all had enough of the Johnsons and trumps of this world.

Socks. Please listen to Keir’s Desert Island Discs. He’s not from a posh family at all.

I like the young northern women. There's 2 one with dark hair who gets upset and the long red haired lady. More working class than SIR starmer. I think labour started going wrong when the chose Ed instead of David Miliband. They backed a lame duck there. More than once they have looked devious in their actions. Very off putting. Why are Jews being given a rough ride in the party and why did it go on for so long. It hurt not being able to vote Labour. But I stuck by my principles. They should try it sometime. I'm warming to starmer but he seems upper-class for the Labour party

I knew I’d need this one day.

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He's nearly bankrupted the party. He's expelled hundreds of members for criticising Israelis making Palestinians knock down their own houses, calling them Anti-Semitic, (even the Jewish LP members). He's done nothing to criticise the selling-off of the NHS. And he's gone back on each of his own ten pledges.
Nightmare.

Agree

love0c

Two Years of Keir Starmer. What do we think? Not a lot!

Any detail ?

Oh yes! I forgot him. He would be the second youngest then????

Whitewavemark2 Sunak would definitely not be the youngest PM ever, William Pitt the Younger was only 24! I remember because my history teacher thought it was one of the most interesting political facts we needed to know, and it stuck in my head.

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rosie1959

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If Sunak becomes the next Tory leader I also think that Starmer will be a good opposition.

Largely because Sunak is very politically immature. He has never be subjected to real critical security, and the one time I have seen him being seriously questioned he cut the interview short and walked off.
Remember Sunak has only been an MP for 6 years, a very short time, he is very young and needs time to mature I think.

I thought Starmer had only been an MP since 2015 have I misread that

No you are correct, but he has the maturity and has proven himself as opposition leader.

Sunak would be the youngest PM ever I think, neither has he proven himself under pressure. He has a tendency to disappear when things get a bit uncomfortable.

I really think we need more stability and maturity after the past disastrous decade.

Didn’t realise Starmer was nearly 60 must admit he doesn’t look it

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1498591/keir-starmer-labour-party-conference-boris-johnson-10-pledges-jeremy-corbyn-spt

He's nearly bankrupted the party. He's expelled hundreds of members for criticising Israelis making Palestinians knock down their own houses, calling them Anti-Semitic, (even the Jewish LP members). He's done nothing to criticise the selling-off of the NHS. And he's gone back on each of his own ten pledges.
Nightmare.

rosie1959

Whitewavemark2

If Sunak becomes the next Tory leader I also think that Starmer will be a good opposition.

Largely because Sunak is very politically immature. He has never be subjected to real critical security, and the one time I have seen him being seriously questioned he cut the interview short and walked off.
Remember Sunak has only been an MP for 6 years, a very short time, he is very young and needs time to mature I think.

I thought Starmer had only been an MP since 2015 have I misread that

No you are correct, but he has the maturity and has proven himself as opposition leader.

Sunak would be the youngest PM ever I think, neither has he proven himself under pressure. He has a tendency to disappear when things get a bit uncomfortable.

I really think we need more stability and maturity after the past disastrous decade.

I will vote for KS. I feel I can trust him and he will do his best for the whole country with integrity and fairness.

Whitewavemark2

If Sunak becomes the next Tory leader I also think that Starmer will be a good opposition.

Largely because Sunak is very politically immature. He has never be subjected to real critical security, and the one time I have seen him being seriously questioned he cut the interview short and walked off.
Remember Sunak has only been an MP for 6 years, a very short time, he is very young and needs time to mature I think.

I thought Starmer had only been an MP since 2015 have I misread that

Yes, I would vote for Labour now that we have KS.
I was completely put off by JC.

When he was campaigning to be leader. He said I want unity knowing he would get rid of the left. He said Jeremy Corbyn was vilified by the press they knew what they were doing and they knew why they were doing it.

Reeves said 200,000 left good they don't have our values. People have taken Labour to court over this statement ordinary people including Jews thrown out. That's more money Labour will lose.

Starmer wants a smaller labour membership no activists. So he can say to the elite you can trust us 1% we won't rock the boat.

But Starmer will never be a party of the people. Change won't happen his labour will be imitation Tory so the two main parties are interchangeable and nothing will stop the status quo.

If Sunak becomes the next Tory leader I also think that Starmer will be a good opposition.

Largely because Sunak is very politically immature. He has never be subjected to real critical security, and the one time I have seen him being seriously questioned he cut the interview short and walked off.
Remember Sunak has only been an MP for 6 years, a very short time, he is very young and needs time to mature I think.

I joined the LP at the first JC leadership election because I thought he was the best candidate at that time. I still think that he was an honest man but found his stance over antisemitism confusing. I also thought that his manner when being interviewed was wrong. He showed his displeasure far too often, even when the interviewer was not being aggressive.

The LP at that time had some good polices but towards the end of the campaign for the GE he went over the top - eg free broadband. Most of the MSM rubbished the Party's policies but Johnson took some on board when he became PM. I remember reading that there was a series of focus groups organised throughout the country to discuss the policies with groups of people. The people weren't told whose policies they were. The majority agree with most of the policies but once they were told they were those of the LP they changed their minds.

That's the power of the press in action. People believe the rubbish that is written.

I think that KS is doing a good job. I watch PMQs most weeks and he always manages to rattle Johnson who immediately blusters about vaccines or test and trace and rarely actually answers a question.

KS has written several pieces for a number of newspapers but I suspect that most people don't read them. He is building up a good opposition front bench. Despite some GNers thoughts about Angela Rayner (because of her background/accent/language whatever) she has put on a god performance when opposite Johnson - I think she enjoys it and lets it show.

I have hopes for the LP in the next election. I think that now, with the GE probably 2 years away, is not the time to come up with policies since they would have to keep changing in line with the ongoing situation in the country. But KS does tell us his thoughts and ideals.

Just imagine the calmness, the integrity, truth and competence, what a wonderful change.

Yes I will certainly vote for him, we need a calm, truthful leader not a clown