Nicola Sturgeon vows to start process of second independence referendum

A wee quiz question to wind up this discussion. Over 60 countries, have gained independence from the UK. How many of those countries have begged to rejoin?

Jonlin1234 if you mean by 'security' the fact that we have a huge dump of nuclear weapons within a few miles of our biggest centre of population, you are very welcome to stop providing that kind of security for us! I have various reasons for supporting independence, but getting rid of nuclear weapons has always been Number One.

What I don't understand about the people who either don't like us or think they are subsidising us wouldn't be just delighted to let us go and get out of their hair. Am I missing something or am I just too stupid, as well as too wee and too poor?

Jonlin1234

I feel Scotland should have independence if the majority want it BUT apart from security the rest of us should let them finance their own countries policies and not have financial support from the government in Westminster as they don’t want to be part of the United Kingdom’s You can’t have it both ways

Why on earth do you think we'd want your money?

Why on earth do you think you should fund our security?

Why on earth do you think we'd want it both ways?

I feel Scotland should have independence if the majority want it BUT apart from security the rest of us should let them finance their own countries policies and not have financial support from the government in Westminster as they don’t want to be part of the United Kingdom’s You can’t have it both ways

I assume it was passed then.

Oh, we don't want to upset the Queen. That would just be awful!

The Queen who will still be Queen of Scots after independence, is that the Queen we're talking about?

31y old Scottish Finance Secretary Kate Forbes (isn’t she young?) is urging MSPs to back her “bold and ambitious” spending plans for next year in a key vote at Holyrood.

Ms Forbes made the appeal amid concern from opposition parties about the amount of cash the Scottish Government has allocated to local government in its 2022-23 Budget.

MSPs discussed the general principles of tax and spending plans in the Scottish Parliament yesterday.

Scottish Liberal Democrat leader Alex Cole-Hamilton announced his party will vote against the Budget due to a lack of funding for social care and treatments for long Covid.

“Faced with a budget that delivers £371 million in cuts to local government and an unwillingness on the part of the SNP-Green Government to deliver key Scottish Liberal Democrat demands on long Covid and social care, we have no choice but to vote against the Budget at stage one,” he said.

However, the protestations of the opposition are likely to have no impact on the passage of the Bill at the first, or any other stage, of its parliamentary journey, with the SNP and Greens having more than enough votes required to pass the Budget without help from other parties.

They could declare Unilateral Independence, JenniferEccles

It's been done before.
I remember it well.

Interesting though this discussion is, isn’t it all academic really?

The Queen’s love of Scotland is well known and it’s also widely thought that she is very upset about talk of Scottish independence.

Isn’t it then highly unlikely that the PM would grant Ms. Sturgeon permission to hold another referendum, at least for the foreseeable future?

Money, money, money?

I have a dream.

The winner takes it all.

‘Gimmee, Gimmee Gimmee’ more like Calli!

Alegrias1

Aye, the SNP were known as the tartan tories.

However they've reformed.

A bit like ABBA.

A bit like ABBA.

Super Troupers?

Oh we've done taxes on this thread before. Not getting caught that way again...

Do they not pay proper National Insurance in England? Crikey, no wonder the NHS is in a state.

source: Someone who actually paid tax in Scotland

Perhaps that’s why the SNP have also given Scots the highest taxes in the UK. A eye-watering 53% combined income and NI tax at the bottom of the higher band compared with 42% in all other parts of the UK.

Source: my stepfather.

Aye, the SNP were known as the tartan tories.

However they've reformed.

A bit like ABBA.

Thanks, Mollygo
I thought it was worth a mention!
Not game, set and match just yet.

Does it matter how long ago it was? Without mentioning any other threads, it seems OK on GN to blame things that happened nearly a century ago for current events so just going back to Maggie T’s time should be OK.

In case it upsets Mollygo, I'll not mention that your bizarre claim refers to events that happened 43 years ago when most of the current Scottish cabinet were either not born or at primary school.

I'm sure it was nothing to do with anybody voting Tory, not at all.

Alegrias1

Tuesday 24th Jan, 14:08.

However much you witter on about how Scotland doesn’t like her, Sturgeon is still the only UK leader with a positive approval score. The SNP still won more votes in an election not quite a year ago, than anybody had won before in Scotland. They’ve still got 80% of the seats available to them in Westminster. So somebody likes them.

Not anecdotal.

Yes, bless them, if it hadn't been for the SNP we would never have had Margaret Thatcher and that Tory Government!

Alegrias ?
My stepfather would definitely concur.

Oh no, that's going too far.

Criticise our FM, impugn the industry of the working man of Scotland, question our financial probity.

But I'll hear no criticism of The Sunday Post. ????

Have we got to match point yet? Insult the UK government, 15-0, criticise the SNP, 15 all, bang on about BJ, 30-15, niggle about NS 30-30 etc, etc.
Daily Telegraph or Sunday Post content right or wrong?
Criticising, sorry analysing PM/FM wrongdoings means we’re learning from each other, which is good. There’s so much information on the Internet now that you can find out anything about things that interest you. Sadly, one source isn’t guaranteed to be any more accurate than another.

Tuesday 24th Jan, 14:08.

However much you witter on about how Scotland doesn’t like her, Sturgeon is still the only UK leader with a positive approval score. The SNP still won more votes in an election not quite a year ago, than anybody had won before in Scotland. They’ve still got 80% of the seats available to them in Westminster. So somebody likes them.

Not anecdotal.

Views on here, although interesting and valid, are anecdotal and do not fully represent the overall views held by the Scottish electorate.